Compassion with pedophiles?
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I have a friend that's been thown into this sort of mess. He was setup by some guys that don't like him and called police saying they saw child porn on his computer. Of course they confiscated the computer, found the pictures and arrested him. He was 17 at the time. Two years later, they find him guilty of four counts of possesion of child pornography (out of eight in the beginning) and spent 30 days in jail. He was required to register as a pedophile/child molester even though he had never done such things.
The terms of his parole were to not be around places where (or have contact with) children frequent (ie. parks, public pools, schools, etc.). Well, he had a 16 year old girlfriend at the time and when her parents found out she was still talking to him they called the police on him. Arrested. Now serving two years in prison for "violating" his parole.
He is not a pedophile, but has been brandished as one by the system and it will forever be with him. What a wonderful world we live in...
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Children, ages six to eight or so.
His roommates at the time after they got into some sort of huge fight over something that was probably very stupid.
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He was nineteen when he was arrested - turned twenty last January, two weeks after he went to prison.
No. No way do I even come close to agreeing with the above quote.
What are you gonna tell me next...that being homosexual is a disease?
Note: I haven't read the rest of the thread yet, I'll go back and read it now. That particular quote by snow just hit me hard, and made me a little angry, so I decided to just hit reply right away.
Ok, that makes a little more sense.
Sexual orientation being beyond your own control is something I have been on the fence on for years. I just don't know. Part of me says no...it has to do with their upbringing, surroundings, etc, etc. The other part of me semi-agrees that it might be something encoded into them.
I just don't know. (It's definitely not a disease though... :azn: )
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Sorry I wasn't too clear then, although I did say "like". On the other hand, I would have expected you know me long enough to know I definately don't consider homosexuality a disease. :smiley:
Whether it's upbringing/past experiences or factors encoded into them, it's still beyond their control.
Whether it's upbringing/past experiences or factors encoded into them, it's still beyond their control.
See, I guess I differentiate there.
You can change stuff that was a product of your upbringing. Whether it be by talking with counselors, having a different experience over time, or just by being in a different environment, etc, etc.
But, something hard coded...such as DNA perhaps. That is unchangeable.
I do see what you mean by both being beyond their control. I just think in one situation one can TAKE control, where in the other, one cannot.
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WildBerry
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It is not surprising that you want to shoot or hang someone for what they think.
However, this is one those things where I get where you're coming from. Some things are so dark and sinister that even if one does not actually perform such acts but merely muses on such deeds, he had better keep such thoughts to himself, for he cannot reasonably expect the society around him to stay aloof. He would be lynched by people like you. And not many would cry an outrage.
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buttershug
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No I mean the ones who are victims of ones who don't keep their urges in check. I hope I dont get an arguement when I say they deserve compassion.
It might be simply media bias that you don't hear what is being done to help the victims.
There are victims that suffer, I just wonder if we are doing all we can to alliviate their suffering.
WildBerry
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Having said what I said, I feel the need to address the OP.
If I read snow right, yes, I think there should be compassion. Compassion with and for anyone who recognises the ill he carries and knows fulfilling those desires would be, not only criminal, but wrong by any measurestick. Compassion with and for who is responsible enough to seek help to prevent himself from ever seeking to fulfill those desires. Compassion for those who seek to make their wrong a right.
However, long time will pass before any such will be forthcoming from the great audience, who in an understandable primitive reaction mimic the sentiments of Smeg, because they recognise a potentially detrimental, damaging pattern of thought, possibly leading to a pattern of behaviour and want to go all "so shalt thou put evil away from among you" on it.
If I read snow right, yes, I think there should be compassion. Compassion with and for anyone who recognises the ill he carries and knows fulfilling those desires would be, not only criminal, but wrong by any measurestick. Compassion with and for who is responsible enough to seek help to prevent himself from ever seeking to fulfill those desires. Compassion for those who seek to make their wrong a right.
However, long time will pass before any such will be forthcoming from the great audience, who in an understandable primitive reaction mimic the sentiments of Smeg, because they recognise a potentially detrimental, damaging pattern of thought, possibly leading to a pattern of behaviour and want to go all "so shalt thou put evil away from among you" on it.
Stevinator
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While disease doesn't seem quite right, what would you call it? derangment? disability? There's really no good term. All of these imply that we need a cure, a fix, a way to rectify a wrong. At the same time, it's hard for me to say it's merely a preference. Perhaps a fetish? I think that's as close as I can get.
From what i've seen there are definitely some fetishes that society can accept and some that society can't. pedophiles are one we can't, homosexuals are one we can, and will in time.
Just like Homosexuals, Pedophiles aren't born that way, but they are also not consciously choosing to have the desires they're having. Something in their environment, something in their childhood, maybe a chemical imbalance, something makes people abnormal--it makes us all different somehow--but sometimes these differences are damaging. Sometimes these fetishes (or whatever you want to call them) need to be dealt with. We need to know where they come from so we can keep people from having to suffer their whole lives.
We have to know that at some point, maybe soon, maybe not for a long time, but eventually we'll have a "cure" for pedophilia, but that means we'll also have a "cure" for homosexuality. I'm not sure society is ready to deal with that yet.
When I say we need to give them professional help, I'm saying we need to help them find a way to not infringe on the rights of children.
Reminds me of the book Lolita...
I think sympathy and help are both in order. Pedophilia is disgusting and horrible, and those with problems should be helped in whatever way they need. Not prison, but confinement in group homes, or psychological counselling, or whatever is needed so that they can live a happy, normal life.
I think sympathy and help are both in order. Pedophilia is disgusting and horrible, and those with problems should be helped in whatever way they need. Not prison, but confinement in group homes, or psychological counselling, or whatever is needed so that they can live a happy, normal life.
In reference to "Not prison" are you talking about people who just have the urge? Or people who have acted on the urge?