College football ruined?

gismo

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College football ruined?

First off I gotta say how about that Duke vs. North Carolina game. I'm not a fan of either team but I was pulling for the Tar Heels.

Is college football going to be ruined just like basketball with the new ruling? Now colleges will be losing all the good or potentially good players as freshman instead of juniors. This could degrade the product greatly IMO. I really hope the NFL wins their appeals.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1727856
NEW YORK -- A federal judge opened the door for Ohio State sensation Maurice Clarett and teenage football stars to turn pro, declaring Thursday that an NFL rule barring their eligibility violates antitrust law and "must be sacked."



U.S. District Judge Shira Scheindlin said legal issues are so clearly in Clarett's favor a trial is unnecessary. The NFL said it will appeal, and it will probably try to block the ruling before the April draft.



Clarett sued the league last year to challenge its 1990 rule that a player must be out of high school three years to enter the draft.


"I was pleased that the rule was brought down," Clarett said at a news conference. "It gives kids an opportunity to choose."



Clarett's lawyer, Alan Milstein, called it a "total victory." He said the star running back was "thrilled" and would speak at a news conference in New York later Thursday.



Jeff Pash, the executive vice president of the NFL, said the ruling left him "really surprised" but confident on appeal because its findings contradicted those of past court rulings.



The ruling, if it holds up on appeal, means that high school football players and college underclassmen will be able to make the jump to the pros just like their counterparts in the NBA.



Dozens of basketball players, including Kobe Bryant and LeBron James, have gone to the NBA straight after high school in recent years, becoming instant celebrities and signing shoe endorsement deals that make them millionaires before the ink is dry on their high school diplomas.



Scheindlin wrote that the NFL rule "is precisely the sort of conduct that the antitrust laws were designed to prevent."



"One can scarcely think of a more blatantly anticompetitive policy than one that excludes certain competitors from the market altogether," she wrote.



Clarett, a 20-year-old sophomore, played just one season at Ohio State, leading the Buckeyes to the 2002 national championship. He was barred from playing in the 2003 season for accepting improper benefits from a family friend and then lying to investigators about it.



Ohio State would have to petition the NCAA to allow Clarett to return for the 2004 season, and it is unclear whether the school would succeed. The court ruling came a day after Ohio State said it was investigating an ESPN.com report that the family friend was gambling while in daily contact with Clarett during the 2002 season.



Clarett would be prevented from entering the NFL draft until 2005 under current rules.



His lawyers had called the rule arbitrary and anticompetitive, arguing it robbed players like Clarett of an opportunity to enter the multimillion-dollar marketplace.



Scheindlin noted courts had already eliminated similar age-based rules violating antitrust laws in professional basketball and hockey. She said the NFL had kept one in effect since Illinois' star running back, Harold "Red" Grange, left school in 1925 to join the Chicago Bears for $50,000.



The league argued that Clarett should not be eligible for the draft because its rule resulted from a collective bargaining agreement with the players and is immune from antitrust scrutiny.



"We believe today's ruling is inconsistent in numerous respects with well-established labor and antitrust law," the league said.



No other player has challenged the eligibility rule. It was supported by the league's coaches and executives, who say younger players aren't physically ready for the NFL, although the 6-foot, 230-pound Clarett could be an exception.



"I don't know that the floodgates are opening," Pash said. "While the ruling is broad in its language, I think we have to wait and see what the effect is."



Some observers doubted the ruling would lead many youngsters to try to turn pro.



"Most of these guys aren't ready, and the teams know that," said Robert A. McCormick, a professor at the Detroit College of Law at Michigan State University who worked on the Clarett case.



Jeff Reynolds, a writer at Pro Football Weekly, said the ruling probably would not have an immediate effect on young players around the country, but he suggested that could change if NFL teams started sending scouts to high school games.



It was more likely, he said, that players will leave college early to enter the draft.



Washington Redskins linebacker LaVar Arrington said Clarett could be in for a rough time when he joins the league.



"Because of the way he's done all these things, some people here see it as disrespectful," Arrington said at the Pro Bowl in Hawaii. "I'm sure guys are going to break his tail, try to break him in.



"Either he'll succeed, or he'll be a total bust. If he can make it that rookie year without being assassinated, I think he'll be all right."



During his state of the NFL address two days before the Super Bowl, commissioner Paul Tagliabue said the league wouldn't try to reach a settlement with Clarett.



"It's a pretty direct point in terms of what the rule is, and Maurice Clarett's status falls under the rule," Tagliabue said. "Our system is working. It is easy to identify players who were helped by staying in school and were developing their skills."



Scheindlin wasn't swayed by the league's arguments.



"While, ordinarily, the best offense is a good defense," she said, "none of these defenses hold the line."
 

cougar

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i don't think so... football is just a WAY more physical game then basketball. Kid's coming out of high school have no idea how much faster the game is or how much more physical. I think the first few who try it will just get annihilated, or sit on the bench until they get physically strong enough.. kids will see that and prolly figure college is the way to go. But i suppose, league minimum is in still in the hundred thousands, but what NFL team with strict salary caps is going to want to pay a player just to sit there on the bench until he's able to play... and they still dont know how well he's going to do.
 

Ash Housewares

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NCAA regulations are freaky, some kid is gonna get hosed each year and atleast this will give them something to fall back on
 

Ifrit18

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Just because some freshman had outstanding numbers in college doesn't mean they will get drafted right away. NFL teams go for the players that were consist in college and ones that played 2 more years are likely to get drafted first.
 

Ash Housewares

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Ifrit18 said:
Just because some freshman had outstanding numbers in college doesn't mean they will get drafted right away. NFL teams go for the players that were consist in college and ones that played 2 more years are likely to get drafted first.
what about McGahee?
*BURN*
 

Munch

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Ash Housewares said:
what about McGahee?
*BURN*
That's one example out of what, 100,000 cases? And McGahee's sat out a year, so he's effectively a sophomore.

gismo said:
Now colleges will be losing all the good or potentially good players as freshman instead of juniors.
Again, one example doesn't set a trend. NFL rosters just don't have the space or the resources to mature young athletes the way college football does. There's too much physically riding on each play to risk an injury to give them real game experience like in basketball.
 

Underseer

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What exactly is changed by any of this?

Most jocks receive a completely fake education. They get passing grades for being important to the football team, not for actually learning anything.

What exactly is changed if this nation goes from having dumb jocks who know nothing and have college degrees to dumb jocks who know nothing and don't have college degrees? I completely fail to see what the difference is.
 

Munch

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Underseer said:
What exactly is changed by any of this?

I completely fail to see what the difference is.
Putting relatively physically immature athletes on professional NFL playing fields?
 

toader

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I think if anything your looking at this wrong.

The question isnt whether NCAA will get worse, its will the NFL get worse. I think college basketball is better than ever now. There is still a good amount of talent in the league and its fun to actually watch some defense. All the trouble seems to go to the NBA now (what do you expect when you give 18 year olds alot of money and freedom).

Im worried that the NFL will turn out the same way, but I dont think it will because of the hardarse coaches there, they dont put up with much crap like the NBA.
 

Crispyknight

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Munch said:
Putting relatively physically immature athletes on professional NFL playing fields?
That might actually make such a moronic sport worth watching. Kinda like watching NASCAR for the wrecks.....
 

toader

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Crispyknight said:
That might actually make such a moronic sport worth watching. Kinda like watching NASCAR for the wrecks.....

Which begs the question.. Should we have NCAA NASCAR? Seriously, how cooll woud that be?! The engineering department could design their cars. There are already little competitions like this in college, formula teams, etc.. But talking about full fledged NASCAR sponsered by the NCAA. Then pit crews could have a draft and everything...how cool would that be.
 

MagiusTheGrey

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McGahee (sp) only had a good year because the two people in front of him got hurt. Thats how it happens sometimes, but McGahee wasnt a freshman, he was a junior IIRC. BTW, for the record, i dont agree with the Bills taking him in the first round having a perfectly good back in Travis Henry. Maybe they trade him off, but i doubt it. I see them alternating time in the next couple of years thereby wasting what could have been two very good pro careers.

As far as Maurice Clarett goes, good luck, he couldnt even make it through a college season intact. Someone stupid is gonna take a chance on him in the 2nd or 3rd round, and then theyre gonna realize how immature a blocker he is and how much slower he is than most NFL backs, yet not big enough or strong enough to be a bruiser like some of the bigger backs. There are rules about age in place for safety, and i for one would love to see him get smacked around a lot to prove the NFL's point. Id like to see him not even get drafted, but then again, id like to see Michael Vick get permanently crippled for being hailed as the greatest gift to football ever.
 

Munch

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Damascus said:
Oh but he will make that team a lot of money
How? People don't show up to watch someone sit on the bench. Even Vick sat out most of his first season, and he entered the draft after his sophomore year.
 

JohnofTesh

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I would draw a comparison to basketball to look at what is going to occur. When was the last time you watched 2 senior laden teams square off in college basketball? Yes college basketball is competitive, but it is competitive on a lower level than it would otherwise be. Look at who would be juniors or seniors this year who are instead playing in the NBA. I would also add that my opinion is that bringing all these immature players into the league has diminished the NBA. I believe that there has been a decline in almost all the significant stats that is directly attributable to the infusion of poorly skilled players who had "potential". Obviously not as many people are going ti jump to the pros, but the best of the best are, so that means that for the big game, your star player is going to be a sophmore or a junior, and not a senior. Face it kids, we have seen the golden age of sports and it is behind us.
 

Damascus

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Munch said:
How? People don't show up to watch someone sit on the bench. Even Vick sat out most of his first season, and he entered the draft after his sophomore year.
Did Vick need a court case?
 

AeroJonesy

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JoT, I think the NBA takes more raw talent and less teamwork and physical training than football does. And for that reason, I think a lot of college players will stay in the NCAA for at least two playing seasons (and maybe three) in order to build up enough strength that they will be chosen in a higher round in the draft. My guess is at first we'll see some early leavers, hoping to use their few NFL experiences in their early years as a substitute for college ball, but they'll get too beat up to improve the way they should have in NCAA.
 
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