Latest Diablo 3 News
DiabloWiki Updates
Support the site! Become a Diablo: IncGamers PAL - Remove ads and more!

Cheney would refuse a subpoena by Congress

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by DOC, Nov 6, 2006.

  1. DOC

    DOC Off Topic Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2003
    Messages:
    1,868
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    256
    Cheney would refuse a subpoena by Congress

    Cheney yesterday in an interview with ABC plainly said that if he was subpoenaed he would not go because the Executive branch is immune basically. Um, that is just not right, things like this anger me and I don't anger easily, it is plain disrespect for congress and the courts. Here is the video I found, I don't know why this has not become a bigger story yet.

    http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/05/cheney-testify/
     
  2. Dondrei

    Dondrei IncGamers Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2005
    Messages:
    36,855
    Likes Received:
    30
    Trophy Points:
    467
    I'm not sure about the details, he may be right.

    There's no doubt that this Administration shows contempt for Congressional oversight though.
     
  3. jimmyboy

    jimmyboy IncGamers Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2003
    Messages:
    2,551
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    165
    I believe this is often referred to as a "Mexican standoff."

    Impeach me if you dare! I will kill you all with force choke!!!
     
  4. llad12

    llad12 IncGamers Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2003
    Messages:
    6,189
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    466
    Well Doc, it sounds like you are ready to join this group. :laugh:
     
  5. Athelstan

    Athelstan IncGamers Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 2006
    Messages:
    385
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    77
    Ultimately, whenever executive powers are implicated, its the Supreme Court, not Congress, who gets the last word. There are limitations to what Congress can order an executive officer to do or not to do.
     
  6. Module88

    Module88 IncGamers Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2003
    Messages:
    5,722
    Likes Received:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    466
    That's a good thing. Penalties for refusing a subpoena, anyone?
     
  7. bg1256

    bg1256 IncGamers Member

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2004
    Messages:
    4,436
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    466
    If I were him, I'd refuse too.
     
  8. llad12

    llad12 IncGamers Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2003
    Messages:
    6,189
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    466
    Be sure and tell that to Lincoln when you get to the pearly gates ...



     
  9. Bortaz

    Bortaz Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2003
    Messages:
    11,312
    Likes Received:
    7
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Are you angry that the process is in place to allow him to avoid questioning, or at the fact that he would use this process?



     
  10. LonghornRob

    LonghornRob IncGamers Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2005
    Messages:
    2,920
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    466
    Well he shot a guy in the face and got out of it scot free, so why not laugh in the face of a subpoena?
     
  11. Module88

    Module88 IncGamers Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2003
    Messages:
    5,722
    Likes Received:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    466
    It was an accident and his friend hardly pressed charges. Not that that would have done much in my mind. What kind of charge would it have been? Involuntary...?



     
  12. DOC

    DOC Off Topic Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2003
    Messages:
    1,868
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    256
    The process. Frankly, I don't care who the president is, when the powers of the executive branch have been so greatly extended that they refuse an order or precedent I find something wrong. Its not that Cheney is refusing, its that if he can, what is to stop anyone else from doing so in the future.

    As to llad, same thing as above sort of applies, I am not saying impeach bush, frankly, that would be one of the worst things to do, but he is not above the law and if called to question the people should answer.



     
  13. Freet

    Freet IncGamers Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2003
    Messages:
    4,180
    Likes Received:
    9
    Trophy Points:
    466
    I agree but I also would like to see Cheney do the right thing and not hide behind such 'protection'.

    I disagree. I think impeaching Bush would be an excellent idea.

    *Waits for the front door to get busted down.*



     
  14. PFS

    PFS IncGamers Member

    Joined:
    May 19, 2006
    Messages:
    1,657
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Be fair - the guy who he shot in the face did not try to press charges.

    I thought the impeachment thing was supposed to get about issues with charging the executive.

    Not sure how executive cronies are covered by this though...



     
  15. Athelstan

    Athelstan IncGamers Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 2006
    Messages:
    385
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    77
    As much as we might dislike our executive branch or the decisions they have made (God knows I do), we still have to realize the executive branch is a vital component to our constitutional structure. Congress doesn't have carte blanche over the executive branch, just like it doesn't have complete control over the judiciary. Congress has the power to override an executive veto, and it has the power the initiate impeachment proceedings, but there is no fundamental right to subpoena other members of the American political system. The Supreme Court is the only body that can interpret the Constitution, and it would be up to them to decide whether Cheney needs to get his fat *** into the Capitol Building.



     
  16. DOC

    DOC Off Topic Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2003
    Messages:
    1,868
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    256
    The court has, in Nixon V United states the court ruled that a member of the executive branch cannot hide behind executive protection when subpoenaed. It forced him to turn over evidence to congress and then he resigned. And Congress does have the power of oversight, which is why they would call him into question.



     
  17. Sir EvilFreeSmeg

    Sir EvilFreeSmeg Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2005
    Messages:
    15,434
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Whether or not anybody thinks this is right, it's the way our founding fathers created the government. They were afraid of a congress being able to forcibly remove somebody from the executive branch by means other than impeachment.

    Those men were brilliant in how they split things up. They had to be, they fought amongst themselves so often.
     
  18. AeroJonesy

    AeroJonesy IncGamers Member

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2003
    Messages:
    12,940
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    467
    What court proceeding would necessitate a Cheney subpoena?

    It could also be "plain disrespect" for the judicial system if Congress inists on the court's ability to force the president/vice president to testify.

    Recall from United States v. Nixon that President Nixon sought to use the executive privilege to keep his recordings from entering the court room. That is substantially different than forcing someone to testify. The tapes Nixon sought to protect weren't any sort of self-testimony, they were evidence relevant to the case.
     
  19. Athelstan

    Athelstan IncGamers Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 2006
    Messages:
    385
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    77
    Yeah, I was pretty sure someone would mention United States v. Nixon, but as Aero stated, there is a big difference between saying executive privilege doesn't allow you to thwart the normal discovery process and saying Congress has the right to force a member of the executive to appear before Congress any time it wants. Also, Congress doesn't get to determine whether a prior judicial decision applies, the Court does.



     
  20. Module88

    Module88 IncGamers Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2003
    Messages:
    5,722
    Likes Received:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    466
    You'd rather have Cheney as President? :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:



     

Share This Page