Charms for Dueler WW Barbarian.

BierWiser

Diabloii.Net Member
Charms for Dueler WW Barbarian.

I think this is about the fourth thread asking about things to put with my Barbarian... I keep forgetting about certain aspects.

NON-LADDER. BVC WHIRLWIND BARBARIAN. DUAL WEAPONS.

What charms should I use on my Barbarian?

Also, I still haven't gotten a straight answer from this. What should I put in my helmet? 40/15 Jewel, 40/9 Dexterity Jewel, Ber, Io (10 Vitality), Jah (5% to Maximum Life), Ohm, Um. I know some of these runes I listed would definitly not be used, but I am just listing the good ones.
 

jmsplat

Diabloii.Net Member
Res/lifers until all res are stacked 40 deep in hell, lite res/lifers, 2x 5 fhr with good prefix, 1x 8 fhr or 12 fhr with good prefix, rest max/ar/lifers, ar/lifers, or plain 20 lifers
 

mainaman

Diabloii.Net Member
3/20/20
20/11 lr
4x 5fhr /5 res all
you need 75 res all in hell after anya bug
i also use 3x 20/17 for ~650 mana with ravens on, and ~850 with fcr rings on
i guess you can use 2x bmanas if you on east
 

Ce Olba

Banned
mainaman said:
3/20/20
20/11 lr
4x 5fhr /5 res all
you need 75 res all in hell after anya bug
i also use 3x 20/17 for ~650 mana with ravens on, and ~850 with fcr rings on
i guess you can use 2x bmanas if you on east
Maina, you have any idea what you're just doing here? You're suggesting VERY KNOWN dupes. Which isn't exactly by the rules.

Instead, do what I do in my guide:
max/ar/life scs (x/15-20/20), life is priority, +max is not so important, AR is second priority.
life/lightning resistance scs (x/20), life is priority, +lightning resistance% is not so important as long as you have multiple of them.
4* fhr/resistances scs (either +all or +light). The amount isn't exactly 100% important, but as with everything else (except pts in dex and str), the bigger the better.

And no, having 75 all resistances after Hell Anyas is NOT needed for you to succeed, specially in pubgames. I've beaten most pubgames to a pulp with my crappy resistances (76 FR, 86 CR, 209 LR, 160 PR), note that those are AFTER anyas. So the only resistance I got in max is LR after anyas. And as I've already said, I still beat most people. However yes, the more the better. If I had 205 all resistances, I'm sure I would do a bit/lot better.
 

Eilo Rytyj

Diabloii.Net Member
errr, what the heck are bmanas??!?!

they sound like duped/bugged/hacked/whatever to me. I know most of the items in the game, and "bmanas" doesn't sound like one of them.
 

Ce Olba

Banned
dmngd said:
None of those charms he suggested are neccesarily dupes.
Yet the chance to find a legitimate one is about the same as finding a zod out of any given random monster.

And yes, those are very popular duped items and heck, even the trade forum bans trading for them due to most (if not all) of them being duped.

And yes, people who played some other patches or are simply super lucky might have a few of legitimate EXACT versions of those charms.

And yes, people might have charms CLOSE to the duped ones.

And no, Bmana is HACKED/BUGGED charm. Or since when could you get 70 mana on any charm (59 is max on GCs)?

And yes, suggesting those items is against of the rules. One of the few examples could be New Blobguide, there was some talk about suggesting popular dupes (And I think 32020s, 20/17s, 20/5s, 5/5s 20/11s are mostly popular dupes).
 

dmngd

Diabloii.Net Member
32020s are not so rare as you think, they go for about 400 fg on ladder in jsp, quite a few people have 9 gcs and the rest 32020s.
 

Ce Olba

Banned
dmngd said:
32020s are not so rare as you think, they go for about 400 fg on ladder in jsp, quite a few people have 9 gcs and the rest 32020s.
Show me a BvC with 33* 32020s and 4* 5/5s that can assure that they're all legitimate.

Oh wait, you will not find one.

And how can you tell that those 32020s are not duped? Just like the rest of the high-end stuff is mostly duped. If it's on Ladder does not mean it's not duped. Heck, I've heard of .08 valks and .08 HL's and ebug fortitudes on Ladder.

What charms should I use on my Barbarian?
ALWAYS use Annihilus, Hellfire Torch and 4* FHR scs. For optimal, 30*max/ar/life scs or ar/life scs. If not these, 3-4* ar/life GCs. Do not even bother asking about max/ar/life GCs, look up the stats on Arreat Summit and you will realize why they suck compared to ar/life GCs.

Also, I still haven't gotten a straight answer from this. What should I put in my helmet? 40/15 Jewel
If this is IAS, then it's the optimal choice. If it's max, then not.

40/9 Dexterity Jewel
Quite useless for a BvC I have to say.

You can CoA for DR% you know.

Io (10 Vitality)
+40 life that cannot be bo'ed sucks. Even a Pruby is better.

Jah (5% to Maximum Life)
An effective increase to your life would be ~3.6%s.

I think you're thinking about Ohm in weapons, adding 50% damage. In armor it adds +5% max cold resistance. As you will be at about -100 cold resistance vs. cold sorcs anyways, having +max% is useless. And when you stack, you will be using Kiras.

If you need the resistances, get life/resistance SCs.

There, I think that's all.
 

De4dEyE

Diabloii.Net Member
So touchy about dupes..

here -

3/xx/20's
20/1x light res
4x 5fhr /4-5 res all
you need 75 res all in hell after anya bug
i also use 3x 20/xx [mana] for ~650 mana with ravens on, and ~850 with fcr rings on

There, now it's 'legit'.
 

Ce Olba

Banned
De4dEyE said:
So touchy about dupes..

here -

3/xx/20's
20/1x light res
4x 5fhr /4-5 res all
you need 75 res all in hell after anya bug
i also use 3x 20/xx [mana] for ~650 mana with ravens on, and ~850 with fcr rings on

There, now it's 'legit'.
YATTA!.

Btw, Mainaman is saying that your guide is just a put-together of all the rest guides on JSP. Not quite nice, is it? And he is saying that you didn't even credit anyone in the guide, even thought the first thing you say is that there are better BvCs than you.
 

Halciet

Diabloii.Net Member
Just to weigh in on the dupe issue:

The general rule of thumb around here in terms of discussing items is: if the item can legitimately spawn, it's alright to discuss it. If it can't, it's out of bounds. This goes for duped rares, hacked items, etc.

As for 3/20/20s - as they can legitimately spawn, it's alright to talk about them, though as Ce mentioned, it's better to refer to them with x/xx/xx or max/ar/life, etc.

Touchy issue.

-Hal
 

AlmostInfinity

Diabloii.Net Member
Halciet said:
Just to weigh in on the dupe issue:

The general rule of thumb around here in terms of discussing items is: if the item can legitimately spawn, it's alright to discuss it. If it can't, it's out of bounds. This goes for duped rares, hacked items, etc.

As for 3/20/20s - as they can legitimately spawn, it's alright to talk about them, though as Ce mentioned, it's better to refer to them with x/xx/xx or max/ar/life, etc.

Touchy issue.

-Hal
The Hal has spoken! :grin:
 

BierWiser

Diabloii.Net Member
Wait, okay I know 40/15 is optimal, as you say, for BvC. But is BvC always Whirlwind? -That's what I am. What does the 15% IAS do though, I heard that whirlwind attack speed goes only by the weapon speed.
 

Ce Olba

Banned
BierWiser said:
Wait, okay I know 40/15 is optimal, as you say, for BvC. But is BvC always Whirlwind? -That's what I am. What does the 15% IAS do though, I heard that whirlwind attack speed goes only by the weapon speed.
It will let you hit a certain frame on Widowmaker.

And yes, 99.9% of BvCs are Whirlwinders, as Berserk is the other option, and it's too easily blocked. And Concentrate is too slow.
 
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