Charger Weapon PB vs Zerker

[McCOOL]

Charger Weapon PB vs Zerker

I've heard this from a few places.

PB grief makes a superior charge weapon compared to a Zerker grief.

Due to, range 2 allowing you to chain together more charges with namelock/knockback.

Has anyone ever done any real tests and figured whether this is actually true?

 

[Dexterity]

A zerker greif is superior.

Longer Range

Better Damage

I don't see how shorter range allows for more consecutive charges.

 

[StillGreen]

I'm not too familiar with pally's but based on my wolf knowledge; the pb grief is faster but shorter range while the zerker grief is longer range but slower. I'm not sure if the zerker can reach the pally breakpoints with 40 ias.

 

[Jerion]

There are no breakpoints for charge.

 

[StillGreen]

Ah yes. My mistake, I was thinking of zeal.

Note to self: avoid all palladin topics.

 

[Sechler]

If this is for a pure charger, another awsome wep would be death zerk. Used w/ highlords and gores for 90%+ Deadly Strike. 500+ wep dmg X 2 and being able to sport a shield. I'm making myself want to make one just thinkin about it.

 

[Jackson]

AFAIK, a grief PB would do pretty much the same damage as a grief zerk, with the same stats.

 

[Dexterity]

wtf why did any of you guys post??

I was the first post and I'm the only one of you that knows anything??

wtf is the guy that's like "buh zerk wont hit charge BP"

and then "well I don't know at all, but if I had to make some **** up or whatever, I might say that charge needs breakpoints AND that pallys dont use greif zerkers, when ANYONE who ever SvS'd knows that greif PB = loss"

and then that guy comes and he is like "Dur remind me not to post"

and then the guy who's like "ufmp I'm so hot for ultra suck PvM chars it makes me want to post on dii"


and then that joker that comes outta nowhere and is all well "PB=Zerk"
wtf buddy? If you dont know why post!?


Man Im so eraged arg afk slitting

 

[McCOOL]

lol.

I did some charging with both on single player, and it was inconclusive, hence it seems range 3 doesnt affect chaining together charges.

Only situation pb being better would be when the target gets knocked back against a pot hole or something.

 

[StillGreen]

That is pretty harsh as all I'm trying to do is help. I already mentioned that I wasn't too knowledgeable on pallys and also that I had mistaken charge with zeal.

Having a forum is great in this way because you can have other posters correct things.

I can understand that wrong information is more harmful than no information. But whenever I personally make a post, I like to hear many ideas - good or bad. The worst thing for me is if no one replies at all.

@McCool: When you did the tests, where they stationary? The range may play a larger role against a moving target. If you're on East Ladder, I'll be happy to be a test subject for you.

 

[ReturnToForever]

I considered death zerk for my charger but in the end the min damage was too low, and min damage is what its all about with chargers. the death min was about 175, my grief min is 422, and I still have 70% deadly

 

[DmUgluk]

wtf why did any of you guys post??

I was the first post and I'm the only one of you that knows anything??

wtf is the guy that's like "buh zerk wont hit charge BP"

and then "well I don't know at all, but if I had to make some **** up or whatever, I might say that charge needs breakpoints AND that pallys dont use greif zerkers, when ANYONE who ever SvS'd knows that greif PB = loss"

and then that guy comes and he is like "Dur remind me not to post"

and then the guy who's like "ufmp I'm so hot for ultra suck PvM chars it makes me want to post on dii"


and then that joker that comes outta nowhere and is all well "PB=Zerk"
wtf buddy? If you dont know why post!?


Man Im so eraged arg afk slitting

Drug addict or alcohol addict? Or just sexually frustrated?

 

[NewForumBloke]

I too have heard that the shorter the range the more consecutive hits you'll have, and im not entirely sure it true. I did a mediocure test of it a friend with a grief zerker/ me with a pb zerker, and our builds were very similar (well, to the pt where we only had 1 pt in charge) and we both seemed to have the same chances of landing those consecutive hits.

I also read in the pala forum that range 4/5 weps are great, but you have to have skill in order to properly utilize them. They suggested using range 2/3 weps around in pvm (or pvp i guess) til you get the hand of it and then graduate ur self to range 4/5's.

Hope this helps you man :grin:

-BLoke :smug:

 

[Jackson]

lol @ Dexterity. I don't know why you even bothered to post that at all. it sure wasted mine and everyone else's time to read that garbage.

 

[foxfire]

there are 2 main ways range affects charge: setting up consecutive hit chains (already mentioned) and hitting moving targets. When you are trying to charge from a distance against a running/walking char, they may move out of your weapon's range depending on how long it takes you to get there.

So....imo the zerker would be the better choice because its relatively easy to set up the chain (compared to a pike or something) but still has enough range to ensure a good hit.