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Charged Items and Cross-Class Skills Questions

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  1. ricrestoni

    ricrestoni IncGamers Member

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    Charged Items and Cross-Class Skills Questions

    To the bottomless vault of knowledge that is the SPF:

    First, suppose I play an Amazon

    1- I summon Grizzly Bear and Oak Sage from item charges, then immediately unequip the charged items. Will these summons be still alive?

    I build an Iron Golem from Metalgrid charges. Will it survive if I:

    2- Immediately switch to everyday use amulet?

    3- Immediately switch to everyday use amulet, quit and open a new game with Metalgrid equipped?

    4- (same as above, without Metalgrid equipped)

    5- Keep Metalgrid equipped, leave game and return with it equipped?

    6- (same as above, without Metalgrid equipped)

    7- Will the Iron Golem have synergies from an item with, say, Clay Golem charges?

    Now instead I am a Necromancer. I have no points in Iron Golem. I cast it from Metalgrid.

    8- Will it use the synergies from my Clay Golem spent points?

    9- What about Golem Mastery?

    Now I play a barb with a +1 Zeal +1 Berserk weapon.

    10- Does Zeal gain a level from Guardian Angel (+1 to pally skills)?

    11- Does Zeal gain levels from a scepter with +3 to Zeal (paladin only), stupid as it may sound?

    12- Does Zeal gain synergy from another item with Sacrifice charges?

    Gosh, I thought of many more questions, but just writing down these 12 made me so dizzy that I lost myself completely.:bonk: :bonk:
     
  2. pesot

    pesot IncGamers Member

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    let me try this, been off for quite a while now :) :

    - I don't think summons from charged items will be saved with the game. but i could be wrong.

    - Charged items will not receive/give synergies from/to pts in skills. But there are some bugs I've heard of.

    - As for 10, no. For 11, If it says +3 to Zeal(pally only), then only a paladin would get it. 12, not really sure.

    hope that has helped. i'm a little rusty with this new patch. Just installed it a couple of days ago.
     
  3. cloudstride

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    ok...

    -I believe the summons will stay alive without the item being equipped, since you're using charges. If you were playing a druid with a helm +1 grizzly or whatever, and had no actual points in summon grizzly, then you would have to keep the helm equipped to get your teddy bear.

    -Iron golems should stay from game to game. I don't think it will synergize with an item with clay golem charges, but I'm not sure. It should get bonuses from actual points in golem mastery and other golems and such.

    -I doubt it, since you're technically a barb using zeal so you don't get bonuses to "paladin skills" or "+1 zeal (paladin only)". You don't get synergies either.
     
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    if I don't make mistake, you use cynergie if you put point. so
    8 - yes
    9- yes (and I'm not sure about cynergie, it work in 1.09 !
    10. no but you're cynergie is working on you're +1 zeal (if effective)
    11- yes even you have 0 zeal, now you have 3 , no if it's a 3zeal 10 charges!
    12 - no, but not compliqued to verify

    13- I don't remember but I read a bug on a specific cynergie that work with items.

    for other don't know but not difficult to test
     
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    ricrestoni IncGamers Member

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    I am not sure I got it, maybe because English is native to neither of us:xflash:

    But I am not sure if 10~12 is what you say to a non-pally.

    Et quois? 13? pas 13! (hehe, my old rusty French! Merci beaucoup!)
     
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    ricrestoni IncGamers Member

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    AFAIK:

    1- I summon Grizzly Bear and Oak Sage from item charges, then immediately unequip the charged items. Will these summons be still alive?
    If those were granted by, say, a +1 OS +1 Grizzly pelt for a druid, the minions would pop out as soon as the pelt was switched, supposing that no points were spent on them. It happens even if you switch it for a +3 OS +3 Grizzly pelt. That much O know from my necro. But charged items is still a mystery to me, and since I don't have them, I cannot test them.

    I build an Iron Golem from Metalgrid charges. Will it survive if I:

    2- Immediately switch to everyday use amulet?
    Now this cannot even be speculated without testing. Only thing to add is, the regular Necro's Iron Golem is saved between games.

    3- Immediately switch to everyday use amulet, quit and open a new game with Metalgrid equipped?

    4- (same as above, without Metalgrid equipped)

    5- Keep Metalgrid equipped, leave game and return with it equipped?

    6- (same as above, without Metalgrid equipped)

    7- Will the Iron Golem have synergies from an item with, say, Clay Golem charges?
    Only testing...

    Now instead I am a Necromancer. I have no points in Iron Golem. I cast it from Metalgrid.

    8- Will it use the synergies from my Clay Golem spent points?
    Only testing again...

    9- What about Golem Mastery?
    Only testing - quite repetitive, me...

    Now I play a barb with a +1 Zeal +1 Berserk weapon.

    10- Does Zeal gain a level from Guardian Angel (+1 to pally skills)?
    I wish to believe it is a yes, but...

    11- Does Zeal gain levels from a scepter with +3 to Zeal (paladin only), stupid as it may sound?
    heh, don't think so...

    12- Does Zeal gain synergy from another item with Sacrifice charges?
    I think it would work, really, but you can expect anything from a bug.
     
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    Kaysaar IncGamers Member

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    An Iron Golem summoned using Metalgrid will unsummoned as soon as you remove the ammy. Unfortunately the golems don't carry over from game to game.
     
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    ok, that sets a no for 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Bummer!
     
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    Going off of the data an empirical research from the Marrowalks bug, and its benefits to Bone armor and such, I would expect the IG to gain bonuses from synergies.

    crg
     

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