Ce - I Dont Get It!!!!

[Seungyoun]

Ce - I Dont Get It!!!!

I havn't been on this forum for a long time, but a lot of people seem to love CE. I've put a few points into it, but it got really annoying, exploding corpses when the enemy were spaced out. I couldn't really use it effectively against act bosses too. Have i just not put enough points in it (i put 12, but with that i'm getting sick of it) to see it's true capacity? Or have i misinterpreted from you guys and CE really isnt a decent skill?

Can you also give me something else to max out other than CE?
I plan to max out SM,RS, Skeleton Magi, and revives so far.

 

[Shanksie1337]

1 in C Golem and GM and Summon Res, plus 1 in most curses.
But i digress, CE is much fun, and once you get a decent chain of CE's you can level whole monster packs in seconds.

 

[Myrakh-2]

CE is my primary killing spell --- I let my skellies drop 1-2 monsters, the rest dies from CE (usually). I play 2 player games, mostly.

Of course, I have slvl 28 CE --- which gives a radius of 11.6 yards, which is nice. I have plenty of mana and mana-regeneration, so I just blow away corpses all the time until my skellies are the only things still moving...

It doesn't work vs. act bosses, since there aren't any corpses, usually. Doesn't work vs. Andy either, since the corpses that might be around don't have enough hitpoints to kill her.

It is, obviously, less effective vs. fire immunes or physical immunes.

I would advise against maxing revives --- you are making a summoning necro, so your +skills will be concentrated in the summoning tree. 1 point in Revive should be enough.

 

[Vakarrona]

CE works wonders even with 1 point in it. It's 1 point wonder skill. My necro is summon/poison but I use lot's of skills, including CE. It's very effective with packed monsters like fallens, skeletons, etc. With the proper use of bonewall or boneprison wich attracts more monsters, your CE even with low radius will do fine. You just need to get used to it.

 

[Crettin]

1 point in CE is enough for me, i get about 7 yard radius, kill cows so easily ^^

 

[TheAlfheim]

Depending on where you are in the game, CE may not seem all that great. When I took my summoner into hell, I was glad he had a few points in it!

There will always be times when the monsters are spaced out, and CE is less effective. But generally, Ive found the monsters clump around the revives, and that makes CE quite effective.

CE becomes less effective with more players in the game. It doesnt scale up with the monster hitpoints. In an 8-player game, it can seem drastically underpowered. In a single player game, it seems drastically overpowered.

CE is a great area of effect killer for a necro. Play with it, and see what you think.

I'd agree with Mryakh - dont max revives. You should be aiming for lots of +skills. I originally thought about maxing revies too. Just put the one point in it, see how many revives you get (dependant on your +skills), and see how they go. You'll probably find its incredibly difficult to run with 20+ revives all the time.
But if you find you want more revives, get more +skills. If you want more still, then think about adding points.

Cheers,
TheAlfheim

 

[essojay]

Once you get all the monsters crowded in a small area, you'll truly see the merit of CE. This is why CE is arguably best in cow runs.

In order to have the monsters in one area, try luring them with a bone wall or with an act 2/5 merc.

 

[prion]

I think it really shines in act 2 where you get clumps of skeletons and those big dudes raising them all the time--blow them up and they can't be raised--and since skeletons work in teams you can wipe out their buddies in the process.

 

[Planet_Smasher]

I personally believe that aside from my Act 2 Might Merc with his uber bonehew/p gaze/ uped shaftstop(had to brag, lol) my lvl 32 CE is the BEST killing 'machine' in the game. No questions. I especially love it in Act 4/5. Everything is so crowded and the monster packs are so dense. You can't go wrong with a high lvl CE.. trust me :worship:

 

[beezly]

Planet_Smasher, is your name a reference to the canadian ska band?

CE is the most damaging skill any character has. Period. It can do more damage to a gruop of monsters than any other skill for the points. It doesn't get obsolete when you get to higher levels, because it scales with monster HP. I've found most of my necros trying to find a way to get the first corpse and then set up a chain of CE's (i've made 4 necs so far)

 

[Monarch]

It doesn't work vs. act bosses, since there aren't any corpses, usually. Doesn't work vs. Andy either, since the corpses that might be around don't have enough hitpoints to kill her.

Sorry if this question is n00bish but, Does CE Work on Clone Diablo? Because i never new if he was considered a Super Unqiue or an Act Boss. Ive heard people argue about that for hours.

-WalrusPK:yep:

 

[Myrakh-2]

Well, CE "works" on everythng. Sort of.

The thing is... you need corpses. Don't expect to be able to kill the clone with CE, simply because you most likely don't get enough corpses around the clone to be able to kill him.

 

[Monarch]

Well, CE "works" on everythng. Sort of.

The thing is... you need corpses. Don't expect to be able to kill the clone with CE, simply because you most likely don't get enough corpses around the clone to be able to kill him.

O ok thanks

-WalrusPK:yep:

 

[det]

I think a Necro that is not planned ahead gearwise is the hardest character to play.

If you know you will get +10 from skill, CE is a 1 point wonder. If not, it is hard to estimate how many points to put into it.

If you are unsure about its effectiveness (or any other skill) you can test it when it shows up on a wand.

A summoning Necro is probably the safest and easiest, while a poison Necro seems quiet hard. You sort of need to sink 50-60 points into your poison spells, you want decent protection from bonearmour, you want a Golem that lasts a bit and you need somebody to make the first kill. You need a few curses to keep those gloams and archers at bay (DV) but also LR will help your poison (which basically forces you to spend 1 point in every curse).

That said, in every Necro I have build, CE is part of the skills. It just helps creating corpses faster, even at a low(ish) level, because monsters tend to clog around your summons/golem/merc.

Has anybody ever made a picture (maybe with the help of photoshop) that shows the radius of CE at a given level (1, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25?). Can somebody refresh my memory on how big the playing screen is? Radius and to all 4 edges?

 

[Mad Mantis]

exploding corpses when the enemy were spaced out.

Use Attract to get the monsters to form tight bundles. This eliminates for the most part the problems with large spaced out crowds.

Has anybody ever made a picture (maybe with the help of photoshop) that shows the radius of CE at a given level (1, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25?). Can somebody refresh my memory on how big the playing screen is? Radius and to all 4 edges?

In 800x600 the screen is about 25 yards side to side, and 18 or so top to bottom. You are in the middle of course, so you need about 13 yards radius to reach things to the sides, and 7 yards straight up or down. To get to the corners you need about 16 yards from yourself.

A handy illustration with circles about every two yards can be seen here. In the game yards aren't perfectly round, they are slightly 4 pointed, extending a bit father straight up, down, left, and right, but you can get a good idea from the chart.

This is all the info I have on the radius of the screen.

 

[hobbs28]

Andy

It works fine on Andy just round up all the monster in the room in front of her and drop them. Then bring Andy on down into the pile of bodies and ce away and she will go down in about 5 seconds. You have to use CE wisely and it is the best killer in the game. I can kill hell cows faster then any char I have ever played. The first couple bodies are hard but once CE gets rolling even in 8ppl games I drop herds of cows as fast as I can find them. If you herd the next group of cows over the bodies of the last group you killed it goes even faster. Also make sure you amp before Ce as that really helps. My necro with maxed out skellys and about 13 revives and maxed ce for range kills as fast as my hammerdin last ladder.

 

[darnocpdx]

Forget attract and bone wall for getting a big pack, you should really try a decent level confuse, with a 10+ confuse you can bring in nearly half a level of beasts into a a 2 or 3 screen area. Mixed with a high level CE and you could nearly clear out the cows barely moooooving (haha--get it mooooving(yeah I know very corny) away from the TP in just a few minutes.