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Cannot be frozen, I love it

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  1. phaolo

    phaolo IncGamers Member

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    Cannot be frozen, I love it

    Long ago I found 2 Duriel's shells for my Paladin and his merc. All become way easier after those findings. Now, at level 92, I'd like to try a new armor as I need more than 700 base defense (even if I'm quite safe).


    The main problem is the "cannot be frozen" attribute. I need another source for it to use any armor. Unfortunately it's very rare:
    -Trang-Oul's Girth
    -Kira's Guardian
    -Cham rune or high runewords
    -Tyrael's Might
    -specific weapon (but I need it single handed and with more than 150 avg damage)

    I won't consider:
    -weak items
    -complete sets with mediocre stats
    -Rhyme on shield (my rare shield is wonderful)
    -multiplayer runewords


    Is The Gladiator's Bane worth the change?
    Would it be a good idea to upgrade Duriel's to elite?
     
  2. lionheartthebrave

    lionheartthebrave IncGamers Member

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    Re: Cannot be frozen, I love it

    How about a runemaster?

    Code:
    Rune Master
    Ettin Axe
    One Hand Damage: 111 - 223
    Durability: 21 of 24
    Required Level: 72
    Required Strength: 145
    Required Dexterity: 45
    Fingerprint: 0x3d7564d7
    Item Level: 87
    Version: Expansion 1.10+
    Properties: 
    238% Enhanced Damage
    5% to Maximum Cold Resist
    Cannot Be Frozen
    4 Sockets (0 used) (3-5 sockets)
    Glad's bane is a good armour for high level mercs, the pdr and mdr help, the defence isn't bad either, esp when ethereal

    Code:
    The Gladiator's Bane
    Wire Fleece
    Defense: 2161
    Durability: 120 of 120
    Required Level: 85
    Required Strength: 101
    Fingerprint: 0xc67925c0
    Item Level: 87
    Version: Expansion 1.10+
    Properties: 
    192% Enhanced Defense
    +50 Defense
    Damage Reduced by 18
    Magic Damage Reduced by 17
    +103 Maximum Durability
    Attacker Takes Damage of 20
    30% Faster Hit Recovery
    Poison Length Reduced by 50%
    Cannot Be Frozen
    Ethereal
    Why not strap on a Ravenfrost for yourself, all my mercs bar one wear Duriel's Shell
     
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    Re: Cannot be frozen, I love it

    The Unique Ring, Ravenfrost has CBF, as well as tasty AR and Dex mods. Not too uncommon, maybe NM Andariel could cough one up.
     
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    Re: Cannot be frozen, I love it

    What about a Raven frost? Shouldn't be too hard to trade for if you settle for a low AR/Dex one, and its usually pretty easy to fit into any gear selection.
     
  5. phaolo

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    Re: Cannot be frozen, I love it

    Uh yes, I forgot the Raven Frost!

    I'm in hell difficulty now; from atma drop calculator Andariel should be good here too I think.


    Runemaster is quite nice too. However I must say I like too much my +2all skills on my upped Atlantean sword..
    About eth Glad's: don't ethereals.. break?? (mine is not eth anyway)


    Thanks to all! :grin:
     
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    Re: Cannot be frozen, I love it

    yes, ethereal items breaks when the character uses them, but not on merc. That's why people prefer eth items on merc.
     
  7. lionheartthebrave

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    Re: Cannot be frozen, I love it

    Not on mercenaries, eth items don't lose durability

    EDIT:pwned cos I didn't read Nejska's post, I'm still high on my CtA roll


     
  8. Jingizu

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    Re: Cannot be frozen, I love it

    Like the others said, Ravenfrost is surely the best source of CBF for you...

    But FYI, high defense is not much important, I suppose you have max block...? Maybe if you write your character equipment and sklill distribution, we could reccomend better options... :azn:
     
  9. maxgerin

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    Re: Cannot be frozen, I love it

    If for some reason RavenFrost is out of the question, the best option left in my opinion would be to use Trang-Oul's Belt.
    It's the least limiting of the choices available since most build will survive even if they use 16-slots plain belts.


    --maxgerin
     
  10. phaolo

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    Re: Cannot be frozen, I love it

    -lionheartthebrave
    Ah ok ok, ethereal for the merc. I was thinking to a new armor for my paladin only.

    -maxgerin
    Yes, I'd really like to find Trang-Oul's Girth too.

    -jingizu
    I have max block, but I'd like more defense as it boosts due to my 14 (20) holy shield (4 times more). My zealot is still quite weak in many situations, even if I can usually do WK at players 3. My weapon is not enough too, my merc deals more damage than me!




    I list my equipment as requested:

    Havoc Clasp
    Amulet
    Required Level: 34
    +3 to Maximum Damage
    All Resistances +17
    13% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items
    +1 to Paladin Skill Levels


    Rune Finger
    Ring
    Required Level: 46
    +94 to Attack Rating
    Fire Resist +18%
    3% Life stolen per hit
    4% Mana stolen per hit
    32% Extra Gold from Monsters


    Bone Eye
    Ring
    Required Level: 51
    +4 to Strength
    +66 to Attack Rating
    +8 to Minimum Damage
    Fire Resist +10%
    Lightning Resist +11%
    6% Life stolen per hit


    Glyph Casque
    Coronet
    Defense: 73
    Durability: 30 of 30
    Required Level: 67
    +52 to Life
    +79% Enhanced Defense
    +13 to Maximum Damage
    Damage Reduced by 6
    All Resistances +14
    +2 to Paladin Skill Levels
    Socketed (2: 2 used)


    Duriel's Shell
    Cuirass
    Defense: 715
    Durability: 150 of 150
    Required Strength: 65
    Required Level: 41
    +15 to Strength
    +196% Enhanced Defense
    Fire Resist +20%
    Lightning Resist +20%
    Cold Resist +50%
    Poison Resist +20%
    +100 Maximum Durability
    Cannot Be Frozen
    +115 to Defense (Based on Character Level)
    +92 to Life (Based on Character Level)


    The Atlantean
    Mythical Sword
    One-Hand Damage: 136 to 171
    Durability: 137 of 144
    Required Dexterity: 124
    Required Strength: 147
    Required Level: 73
    Sword Class - Fast Attack Speed
    +16 to Strength
    +12 to Dexterity
    +8 to Vitality
    +242% Enhanced Damage
    +75 Defense
    +100 Maximum Durability
    +2 to Paladin Skill Levels
    Required Level +7
    50% Bonus to Attack Rating


    Beast Mark
    Vortex Shield
    Defense: 395
    Chance to Block: 69%
    Smite Damage: 5 to 87
    Durability: 89 of 90
    (Paladin Only)
    Required Strength: 104
    Required Level: 66
    +75% Enhanced Defense
    +20% Increased Chance of Blocking
    All Resistances +61
    +1 to Paladin Skill Levels
    Requirements -30%
    30% Faster Block Rate
    Socketed (1: 1 used)


    Priest's War Scepter
    One-Hand Damage: 10 to 17
    Durability: 70 of 70
    Required Strength: 55
    Required Level: 42
    Mace Class - Fast Attack Speed
    +2 to Paladin Skill Levels
    +2 to Blessed Hammer (Paladin Only)
    150% Damage to Undead


    Fiend Shell
    Kurast Shield
    Defense: 224
    Chance to Block: 55%
    Smite Damage: 10 to 82
    Durability: 55 of 55
    (Paladin Only)
    Required Strength: 87
    Required Level: 55
    +30% Enhanced Defense
    All Resistances +51
    +1 to Paladin Skill Levels
    Requirements -30%
    10% Faster Hit Recovery


    Plague Buckle
    War Belt
    Defense: 102
    Durability: 24 of 24
    Required Strength: 110
    Required Level: 27
    +54 to Life
    +10 to Mana
    +93% Enhanced Defense
    Fire Resist +20%
    24% Faster Hit Recovery


    Carrion Grasp (perfect crafted item!)
    Sharkskin Gloves
    Defense: 45
    Durability: 14 of 14
    Required Strength: 20
    Required Level: 38
    +3 to Dexterity
    +18 to Life
    +13% Enhanced Defense
    3% Life stolen per hit
    25% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items
    10% Increased Attack Speed
    10% Chance of Crushing Blow


    Tearhaunch
    Greaves
    Defense: 63
    Durability: 24 of 24
    Required Strength: 70
    Required Level: 29
    +5 to Strength
    +5 to Dexterity
    +80% Enhanced Defense
    +35 Defense
    All Resistances +10
    20% Faster Run/Walk
    +2 to Vigor (Paladin Only)





    Mercenary Items :


    Vampire Gaze (poor stats)
    Grim Helm
    Defense: 252
    Durability: 40 of 40
    Required Strength: 58
    Required Level: 41
    +100% Enhanced Defense
    Magic Damage Reduced by 10
    Damage Reduced by 19%
    Adds 6-22 cold damage over 4 seconds
    6% Life stolen per hit
    6% Mana stolen per hit
    15% Slower Stamina Drain


    Duriel's Shell
    Cuirass
    Defense: 703
    Durability: 150 of 150
    Required Strength: 65
    Required Level: 41
    +15 to Strength
    +190% Enhanced Defense
    Fire Resist +20%
    Lightning Resist +20%
    Cold Resist +50%
    Poison Resist +20%
    +100 Maximum Durability
    Cannot Be Frozen
    +115 to Defense (Based on Character Level)
    +92 to Life (Based on Character Level)


    Shadow Spike (wow)
    Mancatcher
    Two-Hand Damage: 190 to 418
    Durability: 15 of 15
    Required Dexterity: 124
    Required Strength: 122
    Required Level: 55
    Spear Class - Fast Attack Speed
    +203% Enhanced Damage
    +105 to Attack Rating
    7% Life stolen per hit
    Prevent Monster Heal
    Ethereal (Cannot be Repaired)
     
  11. Hrus

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    Re: Cannot be frozen, I love it

    If you will get 2socketed Pala shield with ~40 resistances, Rhyme shield will be much better than your current shield.

    And LOL at upgraded Atlatean ;)

    Defense is not important if it is under 10K, then it starts to have actually good impact. Pure zealot can spare a lot of points in Holy Shield and Defiance and get his Defense really high, so upgrading the armor doesn't seem so bad. But with this setup I wouldn't bother with the upgrade anyway, phaolo seems to be quite poor item-wise, and I would rather upgrade some other items or save the runes.
    Actually IIRC the only piece of armor I upgraded was the Moser's shield to get higher blocking.
     
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    Re: Cannot be frozen, I love it

    Nice collection of rare items :smiley:

    Maybe you should concentrate more on crushing blow and possibly try to get 4fps zeal, there are several weapon choices better than atlantean...

    I would also change the boots, what about gore riders for example?

    Do you have some other chars, for example some mf sorc? Running NM meph can get you a lot of powerfull items, like HoZ, Guillaumes Face, Raven Frost...

    Or, if you want to trade, you can get these items eesily for PGems...

    EDIT: And if you won't get HoZ, make rhyme, as Hrus suggested.

    "much" is important word here, I only wanted to say that for example getting max block, max resists, damage reduction, good life leech , IAS, FHR etc are things more important :smiley:



     
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    Re: Cannot be frozen, I love it

    Yeah. Definitly. In this particular case damage reduction is also probably hard to get and it's also not so good until you have a lot of it (over ~50). Also I probably might be wrong, the build is not specified, but I suggest zeal is used as the main skill. In that case, FHR is also irrelevant (zeal can't be interrupted).
    As you said, getting to 4frame zeal should be priority (faster attack helps both offensively and defensively)



     
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    Re: Cannot be frozen, I love it

    Ravenfrost or Rhyme are the two easiest sources of CBF in my experience, with Trang's Belt as a third option only if:

    1) you have it :p, and
    2) there isn't a better fit for your build (for example, for most paladin's I'd prefer a String of Ears over Trang's, and the SoE is typically a lot easier to find. I'd probably only pick Trang's if I wanted my rings and shield for something else).

    None of the other options would likely appeal to me as a source of CBF.
     
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    Re: Cannot be frozen, I love it

    I don't know SirPoops, Kira's Guardian is nice. I like Gladiator's Bane as well, Damage Reduction, CBF, FHR and good defence is gravy. Very high Clvl requirement though, so it's not much use for questing
     
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    Re: Cannot be frozen, I love it

    For some reason, I don't think Kira's a good helm altogether. Add in the clvl 77 requirement, it seals the fact that I can't find any use for it...ok, just once, when I first converted a character to RWM and can't find a better helm to spare in case I don't ever play RWM again. :tongue:

    For melee, I can go with CoA (potentially having 60% Resist All with all the nice mods) and Raven Frost. Of course that's an expensive option, but just comparing the stats of the items.

    For casters (though in my opinion it's unnecessary to have CBF for Sorcs), there are always better helm options and either Raven Frost (but SoJ is better, most of the time) or Rhyme shield (but caster shield are better, or even high resist shields) will do.
    But really, the trade-off for Sorcs just to have CBF is not worth-it, in my opinion. Specially if you're doing MFruns and know the target/area well.


    --maxgerin



     
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    Re: Cannot be frozen, I love it

    yeah... what max said... :grin:


    For me, Kira's is one of those "looks nice on paper" items that I never use. If I had a build that was badly lacking resistances (or was playing untwinked) and found the Kira's, that would probably be a different story. But I find with twinking it's usually reasonable to get resistances elsewhere and get some of your other needs taken care of with the headgear (Shako, VampGaze, Guillaume's Face, circlets, etc.)

    In addition, the level77 is a pretty high requirement, and I don't like waiting that long very often (Arachnid's Mesh on a 200 FCR sorc is about the only time I'll push above 75 (Reaper's) or 76 (Dracul's Grasp, Griffon's Eye) for equipment... and those 4 items really can't be compensated for if you're counting on what they offer, but you can compensate for a Kira's with some other good items).

    Also, falling within the "too-high-of-a-level" reason, I wouldn't consider Gladiator's Bane an option at all (level85? Great, so I can only use it after I've already beaten the game? What a treat! Golly-gee, thanks Blizzard!)
     
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    Re: Cannot be frozen, I love it

    -Hrus

    Rhyme shield: I usually look at "unique" stats on gear and that +1skills on Vortex shield was very attracting (also the defense). Even if the Zealot doesn't benefit as much as other classes with +skills, my +6all do a great job.
    I'll check that runeword though, as all people agree with your suggestion.

    Atlantean: hey, I was weak and desperate before upgrading that sword. Also I asked an advice in this forum before proceeding.

    Defense: I only have a total of 7000 for now




    -Jingizu

    Rares: Thanks! And the belt is still from classic Diablo! Well, I had preferred a collection of uniques, but it's difficult to find good ones :wink3:

    I was suggested to put a shael into the atlantean, but I'm still waiting. Can't reach the last IAS breakpoint for now.
    My only source of CB comes from crafted gloves, I still haven't found Gore Riders

    I'm doing hell p3 Andariel, Mephisto, LK, Nihlathak and Baal runs (last boss p1 for speed).




    -sirpoopsalot:
    Ook I'll look for Ravenfrost, String of Ears or a good shield for Rhyme.

    I'd like Harlequin Crest for helm, even if it would be probably ridiculous to wear :grin:

    Level requirements: yes, another "mistake" from Blizzard. Anyway I've already finished the game but I cannot stop hihi




    Thanks for the replies :smiley:
     
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    Re: Cannot be frozen, I love it

    With mythical sword and lvl 26 fanaticism, you need 58 IAS total to reach 4 frames zeal. With Shael in weapon and your gloves, you will have to get 20% more (several possibilities - amulet, armor, belt, two IAS jewels somewhere). There are a lot of better elite unique weapons, or relatively cheap runewords. If you don't play self-found, pm me, I could support you with better one :smiley:

    Maybe check some pat threads here on SPF to look on other's equipment, to get better view on "typical zealot setup", many of the items are "quite easy" to obtain by mf.



     
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    Re: Cannot be frozen, I love it

    @phaolo: most of your rare gear is quite decent, though you can certainly try gambling some jewelry for even better stats. More importantly:

    Speaking of WSK, note that your defense won't work against the last and most dangerous wave. Lister&co. use Smite which ignores enemy defense. This roughly means that if you have some other means to stand your ground against them (block, leech, PDR, etc.), you should be just fine against any other foes :wink3:

    Seeing your rare coronet, I wonder which are its original mods (i.e. what has been socketed in). If the 6 PDR is one of its default mods, you could socket two Sols for a total of 20 PDR. The Gladiator's Bane you considered adds up to 27 PDR when Sol'ed, while the blue amulets of life everlasting get up to 25 more. With sufficient leech from your weapon and rings, you should be able to tank the hardest hitters (including Lister) unless they are PI. Any other physical damage should be completely negated, or at least severely reduced (dolls). Gerke's Sanctuary is the most potent shield choice for this build if you get your hands on it. The PDR approach is not so common, but very comfortable option :azn:

    The other, more "standard" choice is using CtC Lifetap relying on maxed block and massive leech to compensate for the received damage. Dracul Gasp, the cornerstone of this build, may prove to be harder to find than the PDR stuff mentioned above. Until then, you can use Lifetap from charges to aid you in the toughest situations.

    As for the 'Rhyme' shield, it is certainly the cheapest source of CBF on any character. Also its other mods are nice, plus you can count on some inherent resist bonus which comes on paladin shields. Unless you opt for GBane, you will have to stick with either 'Rhyme' or Duriel's until you find a replacement.

    Also don't listen to Hrus, he's only making fun of your upped Atlantean, because he's run out of Puls to upgrade his own stuff :hide:

    The truth is that it's not a top choice (slow, no CtC, no CB), but it's also true that the most popular zealot weapons (EU maces/scepters) are already hard to find. I remember my first zealot wielding Death Cleaver (one of my first TC87s) which drove me mad with the permanent repair trips. Generally, Zeal is excellent for delivering effects with its amazing attack speed.
     

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