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[HAMC8112]

I may be fanatical on this issue... but how else do you root out support for terrorists?

I do not know, but it will not be done by killing civilians.

If terrorists weren't backed by a significant portion of the Muslim population, they would lose their power.

True, as far as i know. Lets say half of the muslim population, for arguments sake. Does that mean you want to kill that half? What will the other half do? Where will their simpathy be, with the ones that commit genocide or Hezbollah?

Now if you're able to get rid of that base, then you're onto winning war on terrorism.

I am guessing that means you are fighting a war you cannot win.

 

[DPH]

I do not know, but it will not be done by killing civilians.

I'm glad you offers solutions. Please refer back to "Bad ideas or No ideas" thread.

 

[Johnny]

What if he knew ahead of time (via a flyer for example) that if Hezbollah operated in/at/near his house, he would be in danger of being attacked?

Oh you mean like those civilians that where evacuated by buss. Then when they had managed to get far away from the cities under attack. Israeli jets took a flight over the battlefield...then past the battlefield..then further...and further...deep into Lebanon and then bombed that convoy of civilians into dust then flew back to the base.

If terrorists weren't backed by a significant portion of the Muslim population, they would lose their power.

And how do they get that power? Israel gives them that power by killing arabs. The more arabs Israel kills the more people support Israels enemies.

I remember seeing a study someone posted that a significant portion of Muslims in many Middle-Eastern countries condone/support terrorists and their actions. Without this significant portion, the terrorists would have no support from home and fall apart real quick.

Now if you're able to get rid of that base, then you're onto winning war on terrorism.

So your ****ing solution is to kill all of the arabs.

because thats what its going to take. If 10 people "support" or "condome (not oppose) the terrorists actions and you kill those 10 people then thier friends and relatives will in turn support the terrorists actions so then all of a sudden you have 100 people. Kill those 100 and you have 1000 people.

You cant make people "not hate you" by killing them and thier friends/families.

The arabs will allways support the terrorists who attack Israel just like YOU support the Soldiers that kill arabs. When Israeli soldiers and civilians get killed then thier friends support the soldiers that kill the terrorists and the arabs.

The goal is to make Hezbollah sympathizers (which are "civilians" or meat shields for now) into valid targets.

Right right kill of all the arabs. We get it. YOU are the Israeli version of Hezbollah.

This will either get rid of the meat shields or make them not be meat shields.

They are not meatshields. Its not like the civilians stand infront of the Hezzbollah militants to stop bullets from hiting them.

The "meatshields" are just living in thier homes. Going to work, going to the store. Doing things they have allways been doing. Then Hezzbolla moves in. Attack Israel. Then you blame the civilians because they didnt abandon thier houses and everything they built and earned in life so that Israel can do a guiltfree bombing of the homes and cities in a feeble attempt to exterminate hezzbollah.

And once they become Hezbollah recruits, they aren't civilians anymore meaning you won't have the right to ***** if they get killed.

Israel is a terrorist factory. They butcher and murder civilians thinking that they are actualy killing and reducing the number of thier enemies. All the day is kill the people who are indifferennt to Israel and then turn thier loved ones into people who hate Israel.

I'm glad you offers solutions. Please refer back to "Bad ideas or No ideas" thread.

So dont launch the "bad ideas" Keep thinking til you come up with a good idea and use that.

 

[MadMachine]

What if he knew ahead of time (via a flyer for example) that if Hezbollah operated in/at/near his house, he would be in danger of being attacked?

Who would send such a flyer? The Israeli government? The Lebanese government?

What would be the purpose of sending out such a flyer? To tell them, if you know what's good for you, leave?

I think that if we're working with hypotheticals here, Mr. Malik (I'm using Malik because that was the name of a Lebanese friend of mine in univ.) has worked his butt off his entire life and has finally bought his first home. __________ hands him a flyer saying "If Hezbollah operated in/at/near his house, he would be in danger of being attacked."

I think he'd wipe his *** with it.

 

[DPH]

I'm still not hearing any better alternatives.

 

[Talga Vasternich]

I think he'd wipe his *** with it.

...and be the loudest to complain when the warning actually happened?

 

[MadMachine]

...and be the loudest to complain when the warning actually happened?

On the contrary, I don't think they'd even acknowledge it at all.

 

[Talga Vasternich]

On the contrary, I don't think they'd even acknowledge it at all.

Which is exactly my point.
They don't "acknowledge" the people who are putting their lives in danger.

 

[Johnny]

I'm still not hearing any better alternatives.

Build a huge freaking concrete wall with armed guards all around Israel.

Compleatly isolate the nation from the rest of the area.

After 100 years you open a tiny door in the wall and ask the first person you see "Are you all still Islamic countries? *" If he answers yes then you close the door and wait another 100 years.


* Doesnt apply to Lebanon because they are catholic.

 

[buttershug]

I'm still not hearing any better alternatives.

Supose I have a screw nail I want to screw in and I have a claw hammer and ball peen hammer.
I look and say hey that ball peen hammer won't do the job therefore the claw hammer must be the right tool.


In other words who says there is a solution?

Seriously though I think any solution will have to involve the muslims having full bellies, good shelter, something to lose, and pride in their own people.

 

[DPH]

Build a huge freaking concrete wall with armed guards all around Israel.

Compleatly isolate the nation from the rest of the area.

After 100 years you open a tiny door in the wall and ask the first person you see "Are you all still Islamic countries? *" If he answers yes then you close the door and wait another 100 years.


* Doesnt apply to Lebanon because they are catholic.

Israel tried building a wall on at least part of the border. Weren't you one of the people to complain?

On top of that, terrorists will dig tunnels under the wall to infiltrate Israel.

And when Iran gets nukes, no concrete wall will stop them.

 

[MadMachine]

Which is exactly my point.
They don't "acknowledge" the people who are putting their lives in danger.

You're twisting my words. I said they wouldn't acknowledge a warning to leave the home that they've built themselves/worked hard to buy/etc. etc.

 

[Johnny]

Israel tried building a wall on at least part of the border. Weren't you one of the people to complain?

No.

On top of that, terrorists will dig tunnels under the wall to infiltrate Israel

So set up sensors in the wall that every now and then "thump" the ground then measures the waves that come back and compare them to previous measurements. That should cover a few hundred meters down in the ground. Not to mention several bases along the wall with on call units ready to fight off any attackers.

And when Iran gets nukes, no concrete wall will stop them.

So why not give up all together then and submit to Allah?

Or just realise that they wont fire any nukes out of fear to be nuked themselves. Thats how it works. China, Russia and the United States all have nukes and they all have targets they would like to or in some time in history would have liked to nuke but they cant because those targets also have nukes.

 

[Talga Vasternich]

Seriously though I think any solution will have to involve the muslims having full bellies, good shelter, something to lose, and pride in their own people.

I totally agree.
Now if we can somehow convince the muslim leaders to make some attempt to provide this for their people, we'd be well on our way.

Or just realise that they wont fire any nukes out of fear to be nuked themselves. Thats how it works. China, Russia and the United States all have nukes and they all have targets they would like to or in some time in history would have liked to nuke but they cant because those targets also have nukes.

You obviously haven't heard the comments made by the nutcase in charge in Iran.
Go find his commentary about his ideas for Israel and then come back to this thread.

 

[Johnny]

Its thier religions fault. Thier religion and culture is what creates the suicide bombers.

I mean when you have an entire culture that bans pork chops. Beer and alcohol in all forms. Porn and just about anything else worth watching on the tele.


Its no supprise that when someone comes along and says "hey everybody lets go kill ourselves" That it sounds like a good idea.

 

[DPH]

No.

My bad. Lots of people do complain about it though.

So set up sensors in the wall that every now and then "thump" the ground then measures the waves that come back and compare them to previous measurements. That should cover a few hundred meters down in the ground. Not to mention several bases along the wall with on call units ready to fight off any attackers.

Not a bad idea.

Or just realise that they wont fire any nukes out of fear to be nuked themselves. Thats how it works. China, Russia and the United States all have nukes and they all have targets they would like to or in some time in history would have liked to nuke but they cant because those targets also have nukes.

Wanna know what seperates the countries that have nukes now and Iran? Fanatical religion. They are not afraid of death because they think they have 72 virgins waiting for them. If I thought that, I would welcome death as well.

 

[Johnny]

Wanna know what seperates the countries that have nukes now and Iran? Fanatical religion. They are not afraid of death because they think they have 72 virgins waiting for them. If I thought that, I would welcome death as well.

The people in charge have no such illusions. They just use that on thier followers to get them to obey and carry out suicide attacks. The people in charge are no more fanatic than the rest of the world leaders. They just want one thing and thats power. And then to hold on to it.

 

[Dondrei]

Its thier religions fault. Thier religion and culture is what creates the suicide bombers.

That's rubbish. Religion is the excuse for everything and the reason for nothing. It's social, not religious.

Wait, so the goal is to try make as many civilians into terrorists as possible so you can kill them without feeling bad?

Half these debates seem to ultimately reveal themselves as people trying to pose the problem in such a way that they can feel justified in doing whatever the hell they like. Sad, isn't it?

The goal is to make Hezbollah sympathizers (which are "civilians" or meat shields for now) into valid targets.

This will either get rid of the meat shields or make them not be meat shields.

Hard to know what to say to this. Why not just propose complete Muslim genocide (fine, it's a religion so maybe "genocide" isn't the right word)? Problem solved.

I may be fanatical on this issue... but how else do you root out support for terrorists?

Ugh. Name one positive thing ever accomplished by fanaticism.

I'm glad you offers solutions. Please refer back to "Bad ideas or No ideas" thread.

Saying that a bad idea is better than no idea is like saying that going backwards is better than standing still...

I'm still not hearing any better alternatives.

Better for whom?

Israel tried building a wall on at least part of the border. Weren't you one of the people to complain?

I think you'll find people were complaining about the fact they were using this wall to encompass land that either wasn't theirs or was disputed...

He'd still be stupid enough to not blame the ones who put his family in the crosshairs.

Right, because giving their victims prior warning absolves Israel of responsibility.

"Look out America, I'm going to bomb you!"

*Kills Talga's family*

"Well I warned you, so it's your fault."

 

[WildBerry]

Right, because giving their victims prior warning absolves Israel of responsibility.

"Look out America, I'm going to bomb you!"

*Kills Talga's family*

"Well I warned you, so it's your fault."

To be perfectly fair, that would work only if someone in Talga's neighbourhood would be considered a threat to your political and military entities' continued survival by yourself. But then, I deem that's not very hard-to-fulfill -category, since you'd be the judge of it.

 

[Talga Vasternich]

Right, because giving their victims prior warning absolves Israel of responsibility.

"Look out America, I'm going to bomb you!"

*Kills Talga's family*

"Well I warned you, so it's your fault."

Thanks for posting this. It gave me a chuckle this morning.

Your twisted logic is so amusing to see when you really work at it.