Can werewolves compete?

[snoopyofour]

Can werewolves compete?

This may be a stupid question but I'm new to this game but I wanted to get a feel for what the consensus is on the issue. Everything I read seems to say that Werebears do more damage at a faster attack rate which seems nuts since it contradicts everything the game says about the difference between the two forms. how does a werebear get 4fpa when the werewolf can't? and if the werewolf can't even match the bear in terms of speed is there any point to playing one if i want to be able to take down bears that are relatively the same skill and level as my wolf? like i said, this may be dumb but i love the wolves and it would make me a sad man if they were always at a disadvantage to the bears.

 

[Verashiden]

Werewolves have higher AR, WAY better FHR frames, Rabies, etc. WWs are viable, even though they're not a top tier build.

 

[snoopyofour]

what are considered top builds for pvp and also what do mean by fhr? i've taken a look at the kind of damage rabies is capable of doing and it doesn't seem like there's anything except another shifter that could survive it but there's plenty that's still new to me.

 

[Verashiden]

FHR = Faster Hit Recovery

If you're looking for a dueler I'd recommend either Pure Fury or Fury/Rabies. There's an extensive guide for Fury/Rabies by Stoutewolf in the Guide section and his build can be modified to Pure Fury with a few modifications. Read through that to get an idea on Wolves. Oh, and welcome to the Druid Side

 

[snoopyofour]

Thanks. i have looked around at a bunch of build guides and yeah, i'm thinking fury/rabies is where its at. i'm wanting to make build that can take on the best melee players with good odds for success and the werebear guides i've read make me think that bears are on the top shelf right now. i'm thinking of a build that would rely on spirit of barbs, summons, and rabies but before i start it'd be good to know whether or not fireclaws is the kind of attack that gets its damage reflected. if it isn't or if the damage reflected is marginal then i'll just let the thing go and stick with oak spirit.

Verashidan, thanks for the warm welcome. as for being a druid...honestly, it could be no other way.

oh yeah...and how in gods name to bears GET such a fast attack speed. i've looked around but i still don't understand how that works out.

 

[HuggieTheBear]

The problem with bears and ww druids is the items reqs, they needs tons of specialized gear. I think WW druids would prove the better pvp class (since I have played them for awhile and still haven't met a bear that can kill me). Now this isn't to say there isn't some nutball super bear out there that might have a chance of owning a werewolf, but what are the odds your gonna have all of his gear and knowledge in dueling? I'd say either go ww or elemental druid (whichever floats your boat). No matter what you choose I am all for it since its a druid. =D

P.S. Don't just look at what a build is good at, also ask what are the builds natural weaknesses. For instance a fury is naturally weak against a smiter and a bonemancer.

 

[superjayson]

sorry man just gonna have to live with the fact bears are better than wolves =D

bears only get faster attack rates with fireclaws. why ? i have no clue, thats just how blizzard made it.

 

[superjayson]

the werebear guides i've read make me think that bears are on the top shelf right now. i'm thinking of a build that would rely on spirit of barbs, summons, and rabies but before i start it'd be good to know whether or not fireclaws is the kind of attack that gets its damage reflected. if it isn't or if the damage reflected is marginal then i'll just let the thing go and stick with oak spirit.

i dont know about top shelf, but my fc druid guide puts the build right up there to respectable levels.

spirit of the barbs sucks in pvp, unless you're a summoner.

what do you mean reflected ? resisted, absorbed ? the answer to that is yeah its possible, but in my experience its been unlikely most of the time.

oak sage is usually the best call.

still haven't met a bear that can kill me

what realm you on ? ;p

 

[snoopyofour]

that's bizarre. its also a little ironic that the distinction between bears and wolves is power over speed but its the opposite of what they originally made it out to be. i'm in the middle of finals so my werewolf isn't coming along too fast but i'm starting to wonder why people never talk about feral rage. at the level i've gone to, it's always much faster than my standard attack. if werewolves can get 5fpa on a standard then it seems like feral rage should take that to 4fpa and with a damage boost and strong leech its seems like this could make all the difference in a fight but somehow no guides mention it. is there something i don't know or is the leech and speed just not worth the loss in damage that fury would give?

if anybody can point me to a thread that covers all the differences in damage and effects for PvP that'd be cool. i'm sure everyone's sick of hearing my beginners questions.

 

[superjayson]

life leech doesnt work in pvp so there goes half the useful-ness of feral rage.

i agree its bizarre. i wish it was more realistic in the sense bears could have beefy defense and pack a punch at slower speeds, but its not.
in defense of wolves, bears only have speed advantage with fireclaws. compare a mauler to a fury druid and the fury druid has a wide selection of weapons to choose from and the lonely mauler has 2-3.

 

[snoopyofour]

do wolves not get the same speed increase with fire claws?

i haven't gotten a chance to test this online but right now i'm thinking that the only way a wolf can take done an equal level powerhouse (barbarian or bear) would be to to tangle them up in some spirit wolves, run in with an overpowered rabies attack, back out and heal, and then move back in with fury. is this a practical strategy or just wishful thinking?

 

[superjayson]

bears swing at 4 frames with fireclaws, wolves swing at 5.

 

[HuggieTheBear]

Unless your trying to severly increase your attack rating why would you use fc with a wolf?

Oh and superjayson I am on usaeast and I am almost finished remaking my wolf again. So I would be delighted to duel if you are on my server.

 

[Verashiden]

... If you're using a Flaming Rabies build? :O

Bears need slower attack but more Def. The +Def they get from WB is horrid beyond words.

 

[snoopyofour]

all this camaraderie is making me want to murder some paladins...werefolk unite!

seriously though, i would love to see a team of summoners just trample people

 

[superjayson]

Unless your trying to severly increase your attack rating why would you use fc with a wolf?

Oh and superjayson I am on usaeast and I am almost finished remaking my wolf again. So I would be delighted to duel if you are on my server.

cause wolves have better fhr/blocking frames. id rather have that than a little more speed when dueling a smiter or a zealot.

also im on east, but on nonladder.

 

[HuggieTheBear]

cause wolves have better fhr/blocking frames. id rather have that than a little more speed when dueling a smiter or a zealot.

also im on east, but on nonladder.

Using any weapon below a range 4 against a smiter is suicide so I dont see the small frame change helping. Honestly, the ar might make sense but if you can get the smiter to run after you (or better yet charge) that wouldn't matter anyway. As for zealots? I haven't had any issues dueling one with an fc bear (unless they have uber resists/sorb). Oh and I just made my char on usaeast non-ladder (scruffmcgruff is my chars name not my acct name) so look me up.

 

[superjayson]

i wouldnt say its suicide and obviously the bear can do it too, but ive found it a bit easier and equipment friendly to use the wolf with its AR boost. it free's up equipment slots too.
ive done lots of testing and found using both wolf and bear for an fc druid is what makes a good fc druid a great one.