Can my Hammerdin Solo the Ubers?

[macbeth]

What type of hdin puts enough dex to hold a pb and max block?

any hammerdin that has a clue?
you have an easy time to get to max block thanks to holy shield. that some people are not taking advantage of this is just beyond my comprehension.

 

[rata]

any hammerdin that has a clue?
you have an easy time to get to max block thanks to holy shield. that some people are not taking advantage of this is just beyond my comprehension.

we're not including holy shield ( i have level 17 duuh), do u have any clue how to build a hdin ? and do u carry a pb?

i'm on east NL and ladder, i'll show u my builds

*rata-dude
*ratadude

show me how ur hdin can do ubers

 

[stfrn]

I guess the point is, a hdin has the ablity to kill ubers, but it takes a bit of work. Still easier then ubering with a sorc. You need pretty good gear, and an understanding of what to do when.

 

[AnimeCraze]

I guess the question is, what type of hdin is capable of doing ubers? The feedback i'm getting from everyone is that as long as you have 1 pt smite then it's uberable is FALSE. What type of hdin puts enough dex to hold a pb and max block?

It is pretty natural to assume that since paladin has holy shield, they will all have maxed block, unless it is a 2 handed one.

 

[LukeTD]

Can someone post the gear for a supercheap smiter? Most of the ones i've seen use coh, eth exile, etc etc.

 

[ale beer two]

Can someone post the gear for a supercheap smiter? Most of the ones i've seen use coh, eth exile, etc etc.

Im not an expert, but have made a rough list, perhaps someone with more expertise can comment?

Gloves
crafted gloves with cb and ll
Dracul's grasp

Boots
gore rider boots
or Goblin Toe

Helm
guil face

armor
duress armor
or duriel
or Guardian

belt
verdungo's
or any with res/life what you need

5 os phase blade. (socket with shaels and ias jewels)

jewellery
rings with leech and res
ammy with whatever you need. more res.

shield
no such thing as cheap palli shield...

 

[stfrn]

Shield: spirit or a diamond'd shield with decent resists will be cheap. Try to get an elite shield for higher smite dmg.
Weapon: Black in a flail if you need more CB, or a lightsabre might cost less then a few shaels, if not load up shaels or 15%ias jewels in a pb.

 

[kidsmokin]

String of Ears is a solid alternative for the belt.

Also Kira's Guardian is nice for the huge resists.

 

[RiverLights]

Re: Can my Hammerdin Solo the Ubers?

You mean you can't kill Ubers with your hammerdin.

New to the forum and have not played in years.....but I did clear out Uber Tristram as a solo hammerdin using hammerdin skills rather than smite.

The key for me was survivability - I used gear that provided extra resistance potential and also stacked and wayyyy overstacked resistance charms....so when Meph knocks a huge percentage out of your resistances there is still a great deal left.

Also had to close in "tank tight" and get a "name lock" on each Uber.

But the hammers did the trick.

 

[Locke07]

Re: Can my Hammerdin Solo the Ubers?

New to the forum and have not played in years.....but I did clear out Uber Tristram as a solo hammerdin using hammerdin skills rather than smite.

The key for me was survivability - I used gear that provided extra resistance potential and also stacked and wayyyy overstacked resistance charms....so when Meph knocks a huge percentage out of your resistances there is still a great deal left.

Also had to close in "tank tight" and get a "name lock" on each Uber.

But the hammers did the trick.

I don't buy it. An hdin can solo the ubers with 1 pnt smite and a gear swap. I just did it this ladder. Rata your problem is IMO max block. I was using an ancient pledge that didn't give me max black for resi, but one I got Hoz and had max black I could easily kill Lillith.

But I don't buy that you killed the ubers with hammers. All of the ubers have too high of magic resist to take enough damage from hammers, nor do Hammerdins have the tanking abilities that smiters get from Lifetap and auto hit.

I would have to see a video of an hdin doing it, but even with the best gear possible, I don't see the hdin doing it, but maybe I'm wrong. I would love to see it.

 

[jkjoker]

Re: Can my Hammerdin Solo the Ubers?

I have a hammerdin this ladder season and I do all ubers very easily (with no previous uber experience prior to this season)

This is not just theorycraft but careful planning backed by experience.

Firstly, its a 4shael'd Phaseblade ( I think I'm the one you're referencing incorrectly)


Basically, in planning, you need to get gear to meet several criteria for MINI-UBERS

Max Block
75resists
800 average damage
Life tap
6-7FPA smite
35% CB
OW/PMH

How I achieved this with my hammerdin.

Default gear

Shako
Enigma
Spirit Sacred Targe
HoTo
Arachnid's mesh
1 * FCR ring
1* ravenfrost
+2 pally ammy w/ life
War Travs
Chance Gaurds

NO CTA

2.1 k life
MB
10k defense

No points into fanactism or salvation

Max Hammer skills and synergies and 1 pt into all prereqs

Rest of points into Holy shield


Switch gear for miniubers

Dracs + Guillame's + lifetap wand (fits into cube)

4 Shael'd Phaseblade w/ Gris shield @ 3 pdiamonds on switch

Strategy:

Duriel

1. lifetap him (exchange for hoto), smite him to death

Izual

1. hoto/spirit teleport to izzy

2. clear out OKs

3. Lifetap izzy then kill

Lilith

1. Teleport, find lilith

2. Make a tp about 2 rooms over, switch gear for lifetap.

3. Approach with caution, clear out minions

the only uber i've died to on occasion (lag + amp damage/aura enchanted random monsters)



Ubers:

Additional switch gear : treachery + Goblin toe + shael'd wizzy

Due to having base strength, I need to wear enigma when fighting. I get around that by prebuffing fade.

Strategy:

Meph

1. Lure him out by himself. At this point you should have prebuffed fade, holdingg shael'd wizzy with gris shield, and lifetap wand on switch.

2. lifetap him. Smite him to death using shael'd wizzy

Switchout shael'd wizzy for the phaseblade.

Go nuts.


I hit 6fpa w/ a my phaseblade, 8fpa with the wizzy @ 8xx - 14xx damage w/ conc

Full runs take under 10 minutes (mini-uber to torch)

You argue:

You have expensive gear.

Actually the only really expensive equipment pieces are all not needed. You could easily switch vipermagi for enigma, wizzy for hoto, tgods/credendum/tals belt for arachnids and still be able to achieve the same amount of success.

Remember, for actually merely being ABLE to do ubers, CB is extremely overrated for a smiter. CB is the best way killing speed but it WILL NOT be the difference between being ABLE to and failing. DPS is what the difference between dying and leeching back enough life to survive (common sense guys)

I guess the question is, what type of hdin is capable of doing ubers? The feedback i'm getting from everyone is that as long as you have 1 pt smite then it's uberable is FALSE. What type of hdin puts enough dex to hold a pb and max block?

We cannot assume that any pally with 1 pt smite is capable of ubering. BTW i also tried the vindicator build last ladder reset at the beginning which also sucked at ubering (again it probably assumes that the economy is mature and everyone has godly gear). i thought since folks kept saying 1pt smiters can uber that i did something wrong, but now i see that the posters were incorrect

Q1.

See above

Q2

Any competent one


No, the posters were right. You did something wrong Use analytical thinking in planning your D2 characters (don't confine yourself by using gear from a guide/what is commonly thought of as good for a character [e.g if i used black instead of the phaseblade i would have had a much harder time against lilith] and model your items on goals you need to achieve for a character.

Just because you can't do it doesn't mean its impossible