Can AIDS kill you?

Tanooki

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Re: Can AIDS kill you?

Of course that's a spoof article.

But the Bible kept me AIDS free. That and the fact that I didn't need any blood transfusions in the early 80's.
 

lAmebAdger

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ga... religious debate coming up...

i believe the bible may have good effects on people without also giving them the associated bad effects, it's a possibility
 

BobCox2

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ga... religious debate coming up...

i believe the bible may have good effects on people without also giving them the associated bad effects, it's a possibility
True If your a decent person and pick and choose what seems right to you it can be very helpful, I'm not religious but will defend you right to be so, as long as you accept mine right to reject it.


 

Spinns

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I'm not religious but will defend you right to be so, as long as you accept mine right to reject it.
I respect that a lot since the amount of crap I got given for being a Christian in high school yet the moment I tried to defend myself or express my beliefs I got accused of being a "bible basher"
 

lAmebAdger

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people are often hot-headed or intolerant. you always need to know how to handle a situation according to conditions/surroundings

often the correct way to go about it, is to openly concede the points you can agree with and bring over your own points in a moderate way
 

PFSS

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But the Bible kept me AIDS free. That and the fact that I didn't need any blood transfusions in the early 80's.
I did, but was lucky :)

Bear in mind - you can follow the teachings of the Bible (does it ever actually say you're not allowed to have sex with lots of people?) and be monogamous and faithful your entire life and still get HIV.


 

WildBerry

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I did, but was lucky :)

Bear in mind - you can follow the teachings of the Bible (does it ever actually say you're not allowed to have sex with lots of people?) and be monogamous and faithful your entire life and still get HIV.
Indeed. Moral choices you make only extend to yourself, unless thou art out to put away evil from Israel.



 

lAmebAdger

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"bear in mind that you can be innocent as a baby, in fact, you can be a baby, and still get hit by a satellite that happens to be falling on the very spot you are standing"


i feel those are somewhat alike here... the important thing is not that the bible can't eliminate bad things, it's that it can do good things...
 

PFSS

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"bear in mind that you can be innocent as a baby, in fact, you can be a baby, and still get hit by a satellite that happens to be falling on the very spot you are standing"


i feel those are somewhat alike here... the important thing is not that the bible can't eliminate bad things, it's that it can do good things...
There are literally millions of women in Africa who have been completely faithful to the only man they have ever had sex with who have mysteriously been infected with the HIV virus. This is not to say that the issue is confined to Africa alone.

I would venture that there are also quite a few men who have mysteriously, despite being faithful and waiting for marriage, been infected.

It's a slightly larger issue than people being hit by satellites.


 

stillman

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^Well, I may have an explanation. You can have AIDS spread by something as simple as sharing toothbrushes. Or razors. I think a big problem is we have spent 20 years barking down people's throats saying that AIDS is only contracted through sharing needles and sexual intercourse. The goal was to make people less frightened of AIDS patients so they can be treated normally instead of everyone running away from them.

Well I think everyone should run away from them. People don't understand how small and how effecient the virus is.

It wouldn't surprise me if those cases you mentioned, supposedly faithful partners getting ADIS, are mostly all liars. People have sexual affairs and have much motivation to hide it. People are intravenous drug users and also have much motivation to hide it. People are superb liars sometimes.
 

PFSS

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It wouldn't surprise me if those cases you mentioned, supposedly faithful partners getting AIDS, are mostly all liars. People have sexual affairs and have much motivation to hide it. People are intravenous drug users and also have much motivation to hide it. People are superb liars sometimes.
Or could it possibly be that the faithful women, who follow the religious teachings and wait until marriage and only ever have sex with their husbands are married to men who have sex with other women?

(This is not to say that there are not faithful men who contract HIV from their less faithful partners)

Monogamy only offers protection when both parties practice it, and unless your surname is Fritzl then you have little guarantee that the other party is not behaving in a manner that could expose you to HIV.


 

stillman

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Of course. I wasn't saying either gender is more guilty. Both men and women have affairs which is what I believe explains these millions of mystery AIDS infections you spoke of.

Actually, I'm not sure what you are suggesting is causing these mystery cases. Care to put fourth your own explanation?
 

PFSS

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Actually, I'm not sure what you are suggesting is causing these mystery cases. Care to put fourth your own explanation?
I am suggesting that there are many people out there who are monogamous and wait until marriage but still end up getting infected with HIV, because they are married to less monogamous people.

The realities in the third world (and much of the rest of the world) would suggest that the issue of cheating husbands infecting faithful wives is probably more widespread than vice-versa, though no doubt there are plenty of men who get infected by unfaithful wives.

"Mystery" was meant in a sarcastic manner.


 

BobCox2

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PFFS: I really doubt the numbers you suggest in Africa - given the rape rates there and the fact that the women can't report it as they are seen as devalued if they do.
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2004/03/03/south-africa-hiv-prevention-program-fails-rape-survivors
http://www.scienceinafrica.co.za/2002/april/virgin.htm
http://www.avert.org/aidssouthafrica.htm
Add in Child Rape rates that are the highest known due to the pervasive belief in the so-called "Virgin Cure", Gangs of South African men raping lesbians in the belief it will "cure" the women's sexual orientation, etc.

Stillman: it's HIV not AID's that you catch AID's comes later, It's a low low chance for the things you are talking about but can happen and the information is listed and tracked by the health professionals, they don't try to hide the risks but its pretty small.
http://www.albany.edu/sph/AIDS/aids101_2.html

16. Can a person get HIV by kissing?
There has been one reported case of HIV transmission where a woman became infected by deep kissing with a man with AIDS. The man reported his gums often bled after brushing and flossing his teeth and that after this activity, the couple often engaged in deep kissing and protected sex. Although HIV transmission most likely occurred during deep kissing, it was probably the blood in the man's saliva, not his saliva alone, that caused the infection. Both the man and the woman had gum disease which may also have contributed to the woman becoming infected.
Trace amounts of HIV have been found in the saliva of some people with AIDS. However, to date there have been no cases of HIV transmission through exposure to saliva alone. Casual kissing, such as between parents and children, has not transmitted HIV.

17. Can a person get HIV from using someone's razor or toothbrush?
It is possible to get HIV from using someone ' s razor or toothbrush since these items can cause cuts and scrapes, and may contain blood from the infected person. It is wise to avoid sharing personal items that may come into contact with another person's blood.
There is one documented case of a child becoming HIV infected by sharing toothbrushes with parents who were both HIV infected. Transmission probably occurred from blood left on the toothbrushes.

18. Have people become infected with HIV as a result of living in the same household as a person with HIV infection or AIDS?
There are no reported cases of AIDS from casual contact with someone who has HIV or AIDS and there is no evidence that being around someone with HIV or AIDS, even for an extended period of time, puts people at risk. However, there have been four reported cases where household members became infected with HIV as a result of blood to blood contact, either by sharing a razor, getting stuck with a needle used for treatment, or by getting infected blood on a rash and/or on open sores.
 
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wuffnuff

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Well I think everyone should run away from them. People don't understand how small and how effecient the virus is.

What is with you? Is there anything you aren't a raving dick about? People with HIV feel ostracized enough without rampant phobics making it worse. Common sense and safe practices are all you need to remain uninfected. Casual contact is perfectly safe. Unless you are in contact with bodily fluids you don't have to worry, the virus isn't airborne it is blood born.



 
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Johnny

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When the mouth creates saliva the salt to water ratio shifts drasticly which kills any HIV virus that tries to get through the process. However once the saliva has reached the mouth then all it takes for the person is to irritate the gums to get HIV into the saliva, this happens by simply brushing your teeth or eating abrasive foods like Crispbread or spicy chips and snacks.
 
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