mainaman
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ever heard of 63 fcr set up on bvc?
i can tell you that 152 fhr necs are not hard to catch since the barb teles at same frame....
Can a Nec tank a barb?
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i can tell you that 152 fhr necs are not hard to catch since the barb teles at same frame....
Camden
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Catching a nec with a straight lock (not leaping) takes immense reflexes that not many can pull off, and trying a delayed namelock with zerk or unsummon will usually end up with the barb getting sodomized. Takes a bit of luck too =\. Though yes 63 does help a barb.
mainaman
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Indeed, you would tele just as fast as the nec, so the farthest he could be of you, in the mathematical optimal case for the necro, would be a single teleport, as in still the same screen, just at the edge.
In the worst case, the necro is just about to tele and they end up ending at the same spot at the same time, pretty much whooping then necro all over the floor.
mainaman
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thats true , I dueled one of the top necs on east, granted he was non block but with ~4k life (D2pk), and with 63 fcr i had pretty good % wins
mainaman
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even with 152 fhr you get them in fhr animation long enough to approach them atleast.
the nec is FriggenDisciple , Adrian was on him, I can say only that he was gfg
not much bs trains, hed plase them bs such that thay are comming at you from like 2-3 directions pretty tricky duels. Had to use 63 fcr and nonstop tele( no runing) to get through, ofc the lag then was really small for me :grin:
dont think i dont know what im saying ok, i have duel my friend's vita nec with 152 fhr endlessly with a bvc, all you can do is rely on ows if you can even hit the nec, so what if you both tele and the same speed? the problem is nec have spamable spells and you dont, plus he got 75% block +bone armor dr to tank your attacks. decrip+ clay golem makes berzerk useless, 152fhr makes leap useless, all you can do is predict tele ww nl wont even work if nec plays defensive
mainaman
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ive seen sorcs dec out like this as well with high fhr and yes leap is ALMOST useless at this bp AS u still can grab a quick unsummon namelock although u can not tele whirl the nec like this. But a fight like this come down to good namelocking, sometimes using unsummon u will have to tank 1-2 spirits to get that namelock.
but like said its a rare nec setup
@ Akumaxxyz
people are not doubting weither the setup can not be done but rather how viable it is. Looking at ur setup its going to require alot more dex and slightly more str than a typical nec with a stormshield setup.
It no good using a setup which possibly requires high-end to perf gear as to reach this 2k mark of hp i assume u need good lifers and good gear giving as much stat as possible and even prolly high lvls. And even then you stil don't reach the max dr point easily at best 31% dr assuming a perf dr CoA.
Every char as a standard gear setup or layout that everyone commonly uses for optimal efficency and performance, wheither u have crap gear to perf. This build u layout is highly gear dependent as still will never be as efficent as the stormshield setup which grants max dr, higher life etc.
Ive always gone by "If the build does not exist chances are it does not work at all or effective enough."
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This might be a bit OT, but from what I know, Leap causes Knockback which is not equal to a simple FHR-animation.
Could anyone clarify this issue and is anyone able to enlighten me about the relationship of FHR and KB, because the KB-animation definitly lasts longer than a 'common' FHR stun.
Thanks.
well leap puts u into double fhr mode iirc so so u get the intial fhr + that little bit u see from the kb
So, is it exactly double FHR, or something different?
I asked on several strategy forums before and no one could really tell me.
ShazamLies
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Yea I'd like to know the answer to that too. I've been hearing that its double fhr, but if that really is the case than a barb with decent fcr should always hit with ww after leap + tele...
@sichalo
NOOOOOOO, your whole belief on builds destroys individual thinking. Come on, there had to have been a "first" 1.11 hammerdin or some such thing. Everyone thought some builds weren't feasible at one point or another such as WW/sins or BvC's that are now very dominant in the PvP scene.
I'm gonna go make a BASH barbarian just to prove you wrong` :flip:
not really as the the seasons changed builds have adapted this is true i.e spirit factored in for hammerdins etc etc however the base layout of the builds have remained the same.
Here is an example u trying to tell me an a smiter not using grief is going to be as affective as a smite using a silence or even asterons?
obviously back in time certain builds simply did not work without tele etc bvc did not exist at a time when buriza zons where ripping and dominating however with every patch all chars have a certain setup allowing them to utilise maximum potential depending on gear, wheither it is grief + Exile or zaka for a smiter or even coa + grief/botd+beast and enigma etc for bvc i mean like i was saying this this the common gear used arguably u can slap on other items in place of these but weither or not u will be as affective as the standard or "default" layout is something different.
The same point vs Akumaxxyz build on necs it may not be feasible now but who knows when a patch changes it might work with gear added.
mainaman
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yes it is double fhr, thats why a high fcr bvc can catch even 152 fhr nec, contrary to some ppls false believes here....
Ok, do you have any reliable source for this? It would be nice to know for sure that Leap initiates a double length FHR animation.
Up to now I only knew that KB is something different than normal FHR-stun and that it takes longer, but not how much exactly.
Thanks so far.
Uncle_Mike
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Perhaps one of you should try in the statistics forum? If it is in the mpq files I am sure that RTB/Orphan can dig it up and verify.
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you will not catch a defensive playing 152 nec that easily, you will be teleing none stop and just hope your lucky to even lay some hits. go duel some like this befor you think you can even beat such a nec on a bvc. you will always be playing the cat and mouse game and eating spirits as you go along
to anyone who thinks this gear is not possible, well it is very possible to achive, many people got 40+ lifers legit, and if you cannot afford expensive gear then pvp is not for you.
to anyone who thinks this gear is not possible, well it is very possible to achive, many people got 40+ lifers legit, and if you cannot afford expensive gear then pvp is not for you.
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