Can a Nec tank a barb?
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slow affects ww moving speed which = running speed so this keeps u in the range of the necro longer, althouh as stated if u tele ontop of the necro and whirl while hf+decrypt+golem slow is active u ripp the necro apart pretty bad as u get more hitchecks etc. If u miss the necro the slow means u will not be able to out run a bs and u hit a train load of bs...
... each hitting you for around 800 damage meaning nine BS and you are as good as a pile of rubble.
Kiba
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I Could sometimes kill good Bvc's with my necro with out even moving just ask Mysticdragon 
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I used
Circlet +2nec , 20 fcr , 24 str , 14 dex , 81 mana
Raven ammy +2 nec , 5%fcr , 18str, 16dex, 8 mana regen , 37 cold res
hoto , Stormshield, 2 x 20 fcr rings arach belt , trang glove
Hit exactly 125% fcr with hoto and ber stormshield
2.5k life , 50% dr 86 fhr and max block of course is loads of fun vs melee.
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Circlet +2nec , 20 fcr , 24 str , 14 dex , 81 mana
Raven ammy +2 nec , 5%fcr , 18str, 16dex, 8 mana regen , 37 cold res
hoto , Stormshield, 2 x 20 fcr rings arach belt , trang glove
Hit exactly 125% fcr with hoto and ber stormshield
2.5k life , 50% dr 86 fhr and max block of course is loads of fun vs melee.
with my setup you dont need wiz gloves, you get 152fhr 125fcr 75% block with spirit, all you can do is predict tele patterns and very quick name locks for this kind of nec.
you will die easilyevne if nec plays a little defensive, like teleing 2 screens always to brake name locks and continue his spam
you will die easilyevne if nec plays a little defensive, like teleing 2 screens always to brake name locks and continue his spam
Excuse me miss, but do you have any kind of idea what the number of dexterity required for max block on a normal Spirit is? We are talking about 337 dexterity. So, go ahead, you can do that, but you are then up with ~1000 life.
75% block with a normal Spirit just is not feasible and the only two with higher base block than that of a Monarch happen to be Aegis and Ward, but that 4% won't help you much, you would still need 322 dex for max block, not to mention the STR requirement of either 185 or 219.
So, if you can show me how it's done, go ahead.
no one wants to argue with your theory craft, i have this copy of nec exactly on sp with a 10% increase max block amu i will get it when i got time for d2.
i assume you dot even play the game anymore? stop making your theory craft bull then and this kind of nec reaches 2klife
Uncle_Mike
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Keep this civil please (general remark, not aimed at anyone in particular) :thumbsup:
inanefedaykin
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Akumaxxyz, ce olba was simply pointing out that max block with spirit is completely counter productive. Tell me, is this necro of yours on single player using 9x45 life pnb gcs and other such perfect equipment?
Even so, you would still need 275 dex for 75% block on a monarch or 265 for aegis/ward.
Even if I do not play the game, that does not change the mathematical facts. You see, you can pull off the dex needed for max block from the formula, it's quite simple actually.
Since TBlocking = 75 and CLevel = 90 and Blocking = 52, you get:
Quite simple, right? And that requires no experience with the game whatsoever, simple maths. Take a formula, play around with it and enter some pre-destinied values. Heck, if you take away the playing around with the formula, all it needs is a 10-year-old to do it. And that 10-year-old does not need to know anything about the existence of Diablo II, Blizzard or even PCs or games. So, what in my words makes it so invalid? Please do explain it logically. If you fail, you've just embarassed yourself.
Oh, and by the way, with just about perfect items, you would still need to put around 121 points to dexterity. I don't see that happening. Oh, and by "just about perfect", I mean 40 stats from charms, 40 from rings, 40 from amulet and helm with 19 from weapon.
Uncle_Mike
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Not a response of the year...
Anyway, let's keep arguments ad rem and not ad personam ^J^
Don't make me "lol" at both of you please :wink3:
@akumaxxyz - how about you post your full setup?
Camden
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....leave... this... forum...
Olga might be a vaginahead but he at least has SOME idea wtf he's talking about, unlike yourself lately.
Kiba
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Honestly i think i think a max block necro only needs a stormshield or a homonculus , Wonder why ive never seen any max block necro with a spirit. ~ Prob because it does not perform good.
Even if you do use a spirit wih max block and hit 2k life you will be torn to shreds with out the damage reduction from a stormshield.
Even if you do use a spirit wih max block and hit 2k life you will be torn to shreds with out the damage reduction from a stormshield.
MysticDragon
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Stormshield is THE shield to use. 2k life isn't that great even with block. Still need a bit more than that.
This Necro is the most fun charater to duel against when using a BvC. It makes every whirl count.
This Necro is the most fun charater to duel against when using a BvC. It makes every whirl count.
this is correct u will be lacking dr anyway so 2k will make almost no difference...
Also this Olbas calcs are correct im not the greatest maths man but a setup like this needs near perfect or perfect gear to pull off 2k life as seen monarch is the only realistic shield to use cuz of low requirements etc, compared to the other shields, aegis/ward. Even with a crafted safety amu its still not feasible.
The only chars i know that can pull off block like this easily on a spirit are palas due to holyshield and high block pala shield..
It would be nice to post the setup u came up with cuz i am interested to find out what was used.
read my earlier post, this necro got 31dr from coa 8% drom engima i think that is plenty. its got 75% block 152fhr 125% fcr 2k+life 1k+mana. so what can a bvc do to this kind of nec? predict his tele patern or some insane quick name lock wws which wont even work if nec plays defensive.
and pvp is not meant for poor people?
and pvp is not meant for poor people?
ShazamLies
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I love my barb, I have made at least 8+ barbs throughout my D2 character, with at least 4 of them being BvA/BvC's. In all honesty, I just like to know where my limits are. Like with my fire sorc, hotspurs + rising sun negates me, or with my orber 2x ravens + stack shield and some extra res negates me. Etc etc you get the point?
For a BvC I think that this setup on even the nubbiest nec would make the nec win 9/10 duels if someone just tells him the strategy to use. Set yourself to walk speed and walk like half a step away from him when he ww's, even the shortest tri whirl will be slower because of all the slow. Then spam spear/spirit and after the whirl he can't tele or run (fhr lock/slow). Then all he can do is WW after you and then you should be able to run/walk away, the key is staying relatively close to him so that whenever he finishes his ww, there will be a spear/spirit waiting for him so he can't tele. Recasting bonearmor makes this even more pointless as it will be extremely hard to break the bonearmor in the first place.
And I know maxblock with Spirit is kind of a waste, but I can see that setup being possible. Use the dual spirits + arachs + trangs +15 fcr amulet to get 125 fcr bp. Ber Ber that CoA and prefade for max DR. Shadow dancers for the dex and fhr. CoA/shadowdancers/dual spirits will get you either over or close to the 15X fhr bp.
What is the max life on rare rings? Well for now I'm gonna assume zero because I don't know it. 9x 5 lifers + 11x 20 lifers +196 life from leveling to 99 + 60 from quests = 881 life not counting any vita.
Lets see if he prebuffs his BO, he can get a max of up to lvl 22 BO.
Lvl 22 bo should be +98% Life. Aka he will need a little less than 1000 life pre-bo to hit 2K (not counting life from torch/anni/44 vit from 2spirit).
So he needs under 119 life from points into vita.... which I think he can achieve...
Actually with this setup he could also just use a +3 Bone/100 life amu if he uses fcr rings...
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