Can a Nec tank a barb?

[ShazamLies]

Can a Nec tank a barb?

I was wondering if a bone nec could tank a BvC.

Assuming a bone nec with 1 pt clay golem and 1 pt decreptify and max block.

Using the following gear:
2/20/20 Circlet
Stormshield
Doom Axe
Wizard gloves
2/20 Amulet
FCR Rings
arachnids
Trek's
and the armor could be Enigma if you actually want to duel, but straight up tanking you could go with a .08 Ber'd Valor or some other junk.

This nets you the 125% fcr bp and life/skills/fhr can be made up for in charms.

Cast decrep, the holy freeze and golem will slow the barb, could you just walk/bonespam the barb? If he's slow enough he won't be able to outrun the spirits/spears and if it puts him in fhr he can't tele. So he can only WW, which with the slow, will be next to useless.
Anyone think this is viable?

 

[Dennis_KoreanGuy]

yes.

that setup can tank bvcs.

viable, you ask? Your necro may be just as feared as a BvB to a bvc. Its like, you built it specifically anti-bvc.

 

[inanefedaykin]

Decrep + clay golem + holy freeze + max block. You can tank every melee build like that but that's about as surprising as finding out tgods + 2x20% wisps makes you lightning immune.

 

[Dennis_KoreanGuy]

Decrep + clay golem + holy freeze + max block. You can tank every melee build like that but that's about as surprising as finding out tgods + 2x20% wisps makes you lightning immune.

don't forget about max dr, with his ber ss + enigma if he goes that way. :smiley:

 

[mainaman]

unfortunately if you use such set up to win against barb that means you really lack dueling skills, and will invoke ppl to bring in such things as druids/fire sorc/ and ORBERS

 

[Rawness]

unfortunately if you use such set up to win against barb that means you really lack dueling skills, and will invoke ppl to bring in such things as druids/fire sorc/ and ORBERS

Well, doesn't that indicate something of being lame in either case?
Fetching a new char, makes the other one fetch a new char.
Brings you to no end.

 

[akumaxxyz]

don't think there is any barb than beat such a nec setup.

 

[MysticDragon]

I was wondering if a bone nec could tank a BvC.

Assuming a bone nec with 1 pt clay golem and 1 pt decreptify and max block.

Using the following gear:
2/20/20 Circlet
Stormshield
Doom Axe
Wizard gloves
2/20 Amulet
FCR Rings
arachnids
Trek's
and the armor could be Enigma if you actually want to duel, but straight up tanking you could go with a .08 Ber'd Valor or some other junk.

This nets you the 125% fcr bp and life/skills/fhr can be made up for in charms.

Cast decrep, the holy freeze and golem will slow the barb, could you just walk/bonespam the barb? If he's slow enough he won't be able to outrun the spirits/spears and if it puts him in fhr he can't tele. So he can only WW, which with the slow, will be next to useless.
Anyone think this is viable?

Leap. Just leap.

 

[akumaxxyz]

leap is near useless if necro uses 152 fhr bp+ max block, but with his setup he can just shoot spirits till barb dies

 

[MysticDragon]

leap is near useless if necro uses 152 fhr bp+ max block, but with his setup he can just shoot spirits till barb dies

I meant that Leap is going to be used a lot to get away from those things due to Decrepify, Walls and Golem.

152 fhr on a block Necro is quite hard without sacrificing life.

 

[akumaxxyz]

still barb can't do much against a nec setup like he mentiond, another anti barb setup is max block necro with, 2x ber coa,35% spirit,hoto,shadow dancer,1x fcr ring with dex,str,soj,ararch,magefist,nec safety amu with 10% block. this lets you reaches 125fcr 152 fhr easily with a few charms, it gets about 2k life i have one around sp.

 

[Camden]

2k life nec LOL

 

[mainaman]

Well, doesn't that indicate something of being lame in either case?
Fetching a new char, makes the other one fetch a new char.
Brings you to no end.

point is one doesn't need that se tup tobeat barbs , only takes practice.
nec with max block /dr with ss can get 2.6k+ life with good gear thats enough to kill all but above average barbs with almost no skill required.

 

[Necrode]

ofcourse you can.......just make sure you dont get hit with whirlwind while the barb is slowed because it will hit you many times..... hmm and im not sure how well that would hold up against berserk even with max block.

 

[ShazamLies]

ofcourse you can.......just make sure you dont get hit with whirlwind while the barb is slowed because it will hit you many times..... hmm and im not sure how well that would hold up against berserk even with max block.

Spear or spirit for a fhr lock, berserk is interruptible. . .

Yeah this setup is a bit over the top to counter a BvC, but just wanted to know the option was there. (On my old bvc, bone nec's were the most annoying to duel, esp with revives/IM/max block)

 

[mainaman]

necs are one of the toughest nuts for a BvC. Max block necro even played by average player already has 50/50 chance to beat almost any BvC.
BvCs are very lag dependent and even the smallest lag will result in a mistake or two that will cost the duel to add another reason wny necs are maybe the ultimate anti barb char.

 

[Necrode]

pffft bone necs arent that tough......even with fhr lock on if a necro spams bone walla round him and has max block so i can hit him and then starts spamming spirits i can usually tele on them with my bvc and 1-3 berserks kills, i have 6.1k hp which is kinda lowish compared to most good bvcs but i still have enough hp to tank spirit or spear to kill them even if im only hitting every 3rd attempt.....

edit: then again ive only fought 1 REALLY good bone nec that i couldnt beat....the rest i fought had poor strategy in comparison

 

[SicHalo]

ive seen a setup like this or simular before me and a nec did a trial run a while back infact it was a supposed to be a first to 5 duel cuz i thought the nec was a nub (turned out he was ok ^^) Anyway he tried normal setup which i beat him easily with then he took the following setup he obviously let me know when he was changing as it became a testing duel.

During the test duels i found most fights i found where either me a clear win or i simply missed and died so, in most cases with this i was 50/50 with the nec.

He used decrypt curse + doom slow and trusty clay golem. He started to win quite a few games however, there is a technique to this on barbs side,

When ever i pulled off a successful tri whirl i usally killed him if i missed and made a mistake i usally ate a train of bs. Another way is just as u would use a drive-by tele whirl on a smiter u use the same principles here u keep a little distance then leap tele whirl driveby and get out quick before hf kicks in.

if it is really bm, i.e walls etc ur seriously screwed vs this setup.

The nec i dueled also was not the strongest nec i have seen cuz ordinary setup i beat him consistantly. Im sure if it was a high skilled nec those number would change even more

@ Necrode i know for a fact that i use telezerk pretty well vs bm necs, i.e walls + im however with this kinda setup this simply will not work as there is enough slow involved to make a bowazon crawl

 

[LtSinborn]

two letters, BM

 

[Ce Olba]

Your setup is indeed good, but it's impossible to use without Wizgloves. Means you are stuck at 75% FCR breakpoint without Wizgloves.

Not to mention the fact that the necro cannot exactly stand there and be immortal. You see, your golem is dead in 1-2 hits of Grief with its 6732 life. Now, you are down to your Bone Armor, which is another 1-2 hits. So, you are down to only your life in 2-4 hits, meaning at best 0.32 - 0.64 seconds. And that's not counting the possible Beast hits either. Of course, that is only in theory.

So, it's not exactly immortal, just that it can tank a few hits with no damage and even when it takes damage, it's quite minimal at ~500-600 per Grief hit.

Oh, and by the way, there is simply no way to get max block, 50% PDR and 152% FHR at the same time while retaining any kind of life. You would at best, with the gear mentioned, have 60% FHR. Now, that means 92% FHR from charms, or 7 12% FHR GCs and 2 SCs. Oh, and with a mere 35 life per GC, that is a loss of 484.5 life after bo.

Not to mention you will never have 125% FCR, max block and Doom. That's just not going to happen without Wizgloves.

That makes me wonder, is saying "That is a good anti-BvC" setup the same as indirectly advocating the usage of Wizgloves?