BvC vs. smiter Assuming both have the same wealth, skill, and computer who usally wins this match-up? I could see it going either way myself, it seems like it would depend on if the smiter is using lifetap or not.
bvc will win most of duels , tap will matter alittle but still not a big factor in my experience. when i say tap will matter a bit , i mean when the barb is at low life there is no room for mistakes if tap had triggered, tap can give advantage to the smiter if both the barb and the smiter are at low life. At the end of the day however, if the barb is played smart he will hit the smiter more than the smiter will hit the barb ... the hardest smiters to kill are the good telesmiters, that know when and how to tele smite a barb
The ONLY BvC's that win against my smiter are the ones that fire at me with a bow while I'm running around. If I stand in one place, they fire the bow, the WW away when I get near. The only way I can hit them is to get in front while they WW and smite as they go through me. I also have a smiter/hdin and thats a little easier but that bow makes all the difference, keeps me on the move and drains my life.
well no bvc that duels right will make long enough ww so you could get infront and smite. just trying to say there is a way of ww-ing a smiter its not just ww and w/e happens.
Even though I'm a smiter player and hate to admit it, under the terms you listed BvCs have the natural upper hand
50/50 but whoever is better at mind games will win or whoever makes more mistakes usually its in favor of smiter because of life tap and high defense 40k+
not true high defense is beatable with angelics + chant , no defense can save you from 25k+ ar ,what my barb can get, and if i really decide to push it i can go up to 32k ar just by adding hsarus to the picture. also life tap in smiter vs all dueling is usualy considered bm, and even with that a well played barb will not lose many duels. Now i rememeber Morotsjos saying that the best smiter on east aka Goldwrap admited that he had to rely on life tap to win some of their duels (not sure about the exact wording but something in those lines). what im tying to say i guess is that you cant rely on things such as life tap to win you duels, i mean bard can fade , can use life tap wand on you, can doom flash you. i magine faded barb with fortitude and coa with 25k ar-> he will hit you alot , he will have max dr, your life tap will last only seconds, he will do much more dmg than you .
ai enchant is considered bm by alot of people too and some even consider smite and ww is not even melee. its pointless to say that people cant reply on life tap to win duels on a smiter, thats their strong point its what makes them win most of the time. i see barbs saying life tap = bm all the time but i dont see anyone complaining about ww being the best melee skill in the game if your using doom slow fade then its just a duel about whose more bm no one will die unless out of pots, and doom wont work vs griefpb smiter with enough ias anyway i still say its 50/50 depends on playing style
i just gave you example how with items a barb has much more the upper hand than the smiter. to tell you the truth best smiters i have dueled are using hoz and tele smite and they are hard to kill. im not trying to convince you that barb has more chances to win duels , i know for myself this is true, you judge about that by your own experience.
its not just by experience usually the duel is in favor of smiter unless he is out skill. its hard to judge wether 2 people have equal skill or not, again most of the time its just to see who plays better mind games or makes more mistakes with all the items you listed like enchant doomz fade those are bm considered by many if you goto such length to win the smiter can bm alot better than you then it will be bm vs bm
I find 15k AR is fine to hit almost anyone I duel. As I understand it anymore than 30k defense makes very little differance to your chance to be hit. I did have a bookmark to an AR /Defense/chance to hit calculator, can't seem to find it. But when you swap to the PB your outranged. I feel abit cheap using dual dooms vs smiters though.
whats wrong you a barb fan? did i trash your idol barb? given equal skill wealth like the op said the duel is still 50/50
:brainiac: i dont know what kind of barbs are you dueling , but how are you going to smite a barb that is in desynch ww motion? as if you will know where he is atm? and what the hell is desynch smite please enlighten us anyway BvC fans or not thruth is a bvc that knows what they do win against smiters most of the time i was just making example of the fact that high defense dont mean much when one can get decent ar. i beat smiters with only 10k ar
I'm amazed that this is a discussion. BvCs beat smiters all the time, it takes a VERY skilled smiter to beat a decently played barb. The really tricky matchup is V/T vs. BvC, that's where the debate is really worth while.
what im saying is when both are equal gear skill what will really happend is who makes more mistakes. desync smite is just desync tele smite. when smiter keeps charging randomly you wont know where he is and he might suddenly pop out and smite you a few and charge away but you can desync your wws so i was saying it desync ww vs desync smite
"Who makes more mistakes" How the fux so? ANd you're gonna suddenly "pop out" and smite a desynched whirling barb a few times and get away clean... utter bull**** man. I am a smiter player. I had arguably one of the best smite vs all east nl and easily the best smite vs all on ladder. But i realize a good barb WILL beat a good smiter, period, end of discussion.
truth is with a good stack the duel becomes bvc vs smiter again but its more trickier and interesting
camden is right... whirl away/clip wws will beat the smiter. desynch smite? try to desynch against a leaping barb
