BvC stat and gear help please

[Hulk Rules]

BvC stat and gear help please

Hi all. I am in the process of making a BvC. I am trying to figure out what my base stats will need to be. To do that, I need to know what my gear set ups will be for different duels. The main problem is equipping CoA. I have seen in other threads that Ce Olba and others have said to go 63/47 base stats, but then I wouldnt be able to equip CoA in certain situations.

A couple situations where I wouldn't be able to equip CoA would be when using fort + dual dooms vs smiters, or when using enigma + dual dooms + trang gloves vs bowazons. I guess I would have a similar problem against windy's, but I would only need to flash the dooms, so maybe I can get away with it here.

I know that if I am any good that I won't need the dual dooms for smiters and bowazons, but this will be my first pvp char on xpac, so I think it will help to get used to everything going on before I decide to not be quite so lame in duels.

I guess my question is what do you BvC pros use against bowazons and smiters? You guys probably don't need dooms against either, but what would you suggest for someone new to BvC's?

Also note that I am on ladder so I don't have access to any str boots or the like.

 

[Thoridian]

63str allows you to use coa + forti + beast(beasts str MUST be 36 or more) AND youll need 20+str belt (tgods does the job, its also damn good setup vs v/ts)

A couple situations where I wouldn't be able to equip CoA would be when using fort + dual dooms vs smiters

Dont use doom vs smiters lol, beast > doom imo...

when using enigma + dual dooms + trang gloves vs bowazons.

Best setup vs bowzons is imo pub setup (coa eni 2x ravens arach draculs highlords beast and grief), vs bowzons that desynch ALOT switch beast to doom and youre done

I guess I would have a similar problem against windy's, but I would only need to flash the dooms, so maybe I can get away with it here.

Well I never flash druids minions. Sure oak dies in ~2 pulses but wolves takes too long, its not worth of if if you ask me... Ive never found it needed.

I guess my question is what do you BvC pros use against bowazons and smiters? You guys probably don't need dooms against either, but what would you suggest for someone new to BvC's?

Well I wouldnt call myself a pro like other eu barb whos name is Dagon (a.k.a Morotsjos on those forums) but ill tell you my setup vs those chars anyway

Vs bowzons i use coaberber, highlords, enigma, draculs, 2x ravens, arach belt and gores. This takes down almost all bowzons for me. But as I said, if they desynch very much (hundreds of frw) then im changing beast to doom and theyre ezpk. Oh and never tele straight to ama. When you want to tele to her do a tele in a circle around her. Like that:

O - ama
X - you
* - where you tele

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Vs smiters im using coaberber, owbelt (the one ive got is 9ow 6x life 19str), grief + beast, fortitude and dual angelics. If theyre grief pb based smiters then i just outrange them, if theyre grief BA based, Im making them chase me and i just ww away. If they telesmite then i just ww away also. I met only 2 smiters that are beating me all the time when they telesmite, still have to figure a way to beat them >.<

 

[mainaman]

for boazons i just switch to 2 dooms (to be on the safe side as its a pub duel after all) but i guess they are not really neccessary
against smiters ,I dont bother to change my pub set up to duel them,just because 99% of the pubs are shift smite or chase smite, so I use 2ber CoA,enigma ,grief+beast, 2 ravens+highlords, arachnid,dracks. You can switch aracknid to a crafted OW belt as Thoridian said.
If the smiter is really decked out just switch to fortitude or duress, and put one 2 angelic rings and mulet (enchant with dlimb if you really want to hit 25k+ar)
Now the way to duel smiters that shift smite is doing wide triangles arround them ,which means dont be too close to them,and yet hit them because of your range advantage, and never go trough.
When they use exile(i consider this bm) i switch to 2 doom and procede wide triangles ww or if they chase just ww away.

 

[Ce Olba]

Hi all. I am in the process of making a BvC. I am trying to figure out what my base stats will need to be. To do that, I need to know what my gear set ups will be for different duels. The main problem is equipping CoA. I have seen in other threads that Ce Olba and others have said to go 63/47 base stats, but then I wouldnt be able to equip CoA in certain situations.

the 63 allows you to wear your Arreat with Draculs, and it also happens to allow you to use any Archon Plates with 20 stats torch and annihilus. Also, TGod+CoA+Beast (needs 36 str) is one of the main things in this setup.

A couple situations where I wouldn't be able to equip CoA would be when using fort + dual dooms vs smiters, or when using enigma + dual dooms + trang gloves vs bowazons. I guess I would have a similar problem against windy's, but I would only need to flash the dooms, so maybe I can get away with it here.

For this situation, use a TGod and a Beast. Dual dooms are never needed, only 1 at the very most. One of the small flaws in this build is that it cannot equip dual dooms with Fortitude, but that's fine, since that would require 119 base str anyways. Also, dual dooms+trang gloves, that's a nice setup, but, 174-40-63=71, enigma should give 68-69, so just add a few points if you think you will use the Trang gloves setup a lot. It's worth it in certain situations.

I know that if I am any good that I won't need the dual dooms for smiters and bowazons, but this will be my first pvp char on xpac, so I think it will help to get used to everything going on before I decide to not be quite so lame in duels.

Dual dooms are actually the way to go with Bowazons, since you can beat them any way you want, but dual dooms piss them off, thus making them play worse, and also at the speed they shoot their arrows while frozen makes them totally useless. You do not need to think about how "nice" you are, winning>being nice. But yes, even in publics, I have manners to people who have manners towards me, and vice versa, usually. The easiest, quickest, and the most effective way to kill off Bowazons is to tele on their screen while having dual dooms out, leaping once or twice and teleporting on top and whirling to death. If you really want to have 40 fcr, add the 3 points and use trang gloves, since if they carry ravens (very likely), you will be frozen without ravens and that screws your short/triwhirls.

I guess my question is what do you BvC pros use against bowazons and smiters? You guys probably don't need dooms against either, but what would you suggest for someone new to BvC's?

Fortitude+Draculs+str ow belt+CoA+Grief+Beast+Gores. For the really hard ones, switch Grief for a Doom, but only do this if they are using a BA Grief, with PB it's useless, PB is too fast to be slowed.

Also note that I am on ladder so I don't have access to any str boots or the like.

The str on certain boots is not needed, IMO. I personally prefer dexterity, since I value Widowmaker a _lot_. As for resistance boots on ladder, try looking for ones with 30ish fire and lightning resistance and FRW and Dexterity, if possible. Otherwise just go with some random Fire+Light resistance boots. I actually used a pair of 30 frw, 4 repl. life, 34 fire/cold resistances boots for quite a while, and they worked just fine.

 

[sorceressgod]

well watch out for your defense though.

a weak bvc gets charged to death sometimes by a pally lol.

and being a hammerdin player, i think gg hammerdins are a bvc's worse enemy. unless you are smart and quick enough to tele under a hammerdin(w/o getting hitted of course) and frenzy .

 

[Hulk Rules]

Thanks for all your help guys.

So you guys dont think I will need CoA with dual dooms against bowazons? I will most likely end up saving some stat points and trying out the 63/47 (well actually it will be 66/50 with my torch and anni) route. That way I can add some str if I feel I need it.

But thanks again for all the help. :thumbsup:

 

[Ce Olba]

Thanks for all your help guys.

So you guys dont think I will need CoA with dual dooms against bowazons? I will most likely end up saving some stat points and trying out the 63/47 (well actually it will be 66/50 with my torch and anni) route. That way I can add some str if I feel I need it.

But thanks again for all the help. :thumbsup:

Dual Dooms+CoA 'BerBer' versus Bowazons is not needed, but it's nice to have in pubs, where you want quick kills. Myself I use dual dooms+20 fcr+dual ravens+CoA versus all bowas because they bore me, they just run away and think that I will _not_ follow them.