BvB

pwn

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BvB

What items are ideal for BvB?

what i used long ago was like this:

Best weapon and ornate you can find.
Sigons gloves + Helm (10% ll + 8 AR per level + 10str)
Hsarus Boots + Belt (+2.5 def per level + 10 AR per level)

this winds up giving the belt around 160 def. compensating for low defense on boots. But then level 80 gets another 800 ar just from boots!

Rings and Amulets i used 2x 6% ll rings, with +AR as high as possible.
Amulet +1 or +2 Skill with much ll as possible.

Weapon had mana leech.


Is this still a good build, or is ll completely useless now?
What mods should i look for in item if not the leech? ar? str and dex?

This is for bvb. for bvs or bvn i would go faster runing items along with resists and vit.
 

fredsta54

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life and mana steal is useless now in 1.10 pvp. get lots of ar, crushing blow, defence, high block, and open wounds.



Fred
 

Murrogh

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some set and uniques

fred's right...
some items that have those atributes are:
Goblin Toe light plated boots = 25% crushing blow
Swordback Hold spiked shield = 50% open wounds
Rattlecage gothic plate = 25% crushing blow
Twitchthroe studded leather armor = 25% increased chance blocking

for attack rating angelic rings and amulet is unsurpassed

if you don't have any really good rare weapons you could use cleglaws set.
 

magnet

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cheap and easy stuff [not to mention effective]:
3 p ame crown
angelic ammy + 2 x rings
swordback
twitch
gtoes
bloodfists
rare belt with 20str 50+life and cold dmg if u can find it. ideal i guess would be 1-4cold 20str 60life atd 5 and some resist
 

pwn

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What is the open wounds?

Is it worth using that shield (Swordback Hold) 50% open wounds and only 45 defense, in BvB, instead of having a 300 def grim 30\20 ?

Is it better to use rattlecage in BvB and not a 850 def +50 life ornate plate?

If we are looking for CB, is it better to use Bonesnap with 120-172 dmg, 40% crushing blow. Instead of using a 270 martel for instance?

Do weapon\shield barbs still win 2handed weapon barbs?

Edit: this is a quote from this site about open wounds:

Open Wounds: This special modifier, found only on some Unique and Set Items, is pathetically under-powered now, doing around 2 points of damage per second. It lasts longer based on your Clvl, from 3-11 seconds, but at two points a second, it's hardly worth considering. It will be much improved in the Expansion, with variable damage rates and durations on different types of items, though there aren't any specifics known yet.
 

h0nkeythecracker

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For starters, Crushing Blow will not help all that much BvB. Taking into account most BvB will go 100% strength and use a mace, CB will not be doing all that much damage. Defense, Attack Rating, Damage, and Block are the most important statistics in BvB. I would still consider Hsarus' the best BvB set in the game. Angelic's is the obvious choice for Rings and Amulets. A 17/30/20 Grim would be ideal. Since Life Leech and IAS don't work for dueling/WW respectively, Sigon's lost most of its usefulness. So, finding items BvB becomes harder. Bloodfist is a very good option due to the FHR. A good helm could be Grim Helm w/ Str/Life/Def/FHR. And the armor is obvious, highest Def/FHR Ornate. A Battle Hammer is the only choice in BvB if you want to win. It is the only one-handed weapon that does not require Dex IIRC.
 

magnet

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h0nkeythecracker said:
For starters, Crushing Blow will not help all that much BvB. Taking into account most BvB will go 100% strength and use a mace, CB will not be doing all that much damage. Defense, Attack Rating, Damage, and Block are the most important statistics in BvB. I would still consider Hsarus' the best BvB set in the game. Angelic's is the obvious choice for Rings and Amulets. A 17/30/20 Grim would be ideal. Since Life Leech and IAS don't work for dueling/WW respectively, Sigon's lost most of its usefulness. So, finding items BvB becomes harder. Bloodfist is a very good option due to the FHR. A good helm could be Grim Helm w/ Str/Life/Def/FHR. And the armor is obvious, highest Def/FHR Ornate. A Battle Hammer is the only choice in BvB if you want to win. It is the only one-handed weapon that does not require Dex IIRC.

ingore most of this. its rubbish.
 

Murrogh

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h0nkeythecracker said:
For starters, Crushing Blow will not help all that much BvB. Taking into account most BvB will go 100% strength and use a mace, CB will not be doing all that much damage. Defense, Attack Rating, Damage, and Block are the most important statistics in BvB. I would still consider Hsarus' the best BvB set in the game. Angelic's is the obvious choice for Rings and Amulets. A 17/30/20 Grim would be ideal. Since Life Leech and IAS don't work for dueling/WW respectively, Sigon's lost most of its usefulness. So, finding items BvB becomes harder. Bloodfist is a very good option due to the FHR. A good helm could be Grim Helm w/ Str/Life/Def/FHR. And the armor is obvious, highest Def/FHR Ornate. A Battle Hammer is the only choice in BvB if you want to win. It is the only one-handed weapon that does not require Dex IIRC.
most bvb will NOT be doing tons of strength. and bhammer is not the only weapon to use.
Nagas are good too.
 

TheCerberus

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magnet said:
cheap and easy stuff [not to mention effective]:
3 p ame crown
angelic ammy + 2 x rings
swordback
twitch
gtoes
bloodfists
rare belt with 20str 50+life and cold dmg if u can find it. ideal i guess would be 1-4cold 20str 60life atd 5 and some resist
This guy has it right. Defense, you can survive just fine with 4-5k, even 3k. Angelics can boost soemone up so easily to 11k AR that defense is pretty much wrothless. Every item Magnet has listed is very cheap and very good, except for the belt. If you can find something like that, use it, if not, Bladebuckle will work just fine. The crown gives 30 stregth, twitch'll give 10, bladebuckle gives 5, so you need 80 strength before items. Rest Vitality.

Open Wounds is great, Crushing Blow helps a lot, and I fell Nagas are the best wepaons for range purposes. Cleglaws is a great, cheap weapon, however.
 

Locke07

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Clegs are great! I am working on my BvB using cleg's set and it is working wonderful. Adds deadly strike coupled with open wounds from SB and crushing blow from goblin toes. Fredista is the one who gave me the idea after he told me about his BvB.

To Darcar: I see where magent is coming from that guy has apperintly hasn't played BvB in a while. Crushing blow is really important in BvB and most go with as little strength as possible. It seams that the guy was playing in .09 where life leach was still usefull in PvP.
 
TheCerberus said:
This guy has it right. Defense, you can survive just fine with 4-5k, even 3k. Angelics can boost soemone up so easily to 11k AR that defense is pretty much wrothless. Every item Magnet has listed is very cheap and very good, except for the belt. If you can find something like that, use it, if not, Bladebuckle will work just fine. The crown gives 30 stregth, twitch'll give 10, bladebuckle gives 5, so you need 80 strength before items. Rest Vitality.

Open Wounds is great, Crushing Blow helps a lot, and I fell Nagas are the best wepaons for range purposes. Cleglaws is a great, cheap weapon, however.
Even less strength needed if you go with the higher dmg (but admittedly, lower range) bhammers.

It should be of note that most people don't realize using the 3 p ammy ends up giving you 6 more life (via stat point redistribution) than 3 p rub. does. Well, he knew that, but amazing how many people DON'T know that on bnet.


My only suggestion would be to have fhr on the belt, and also while cb is nice, I’d rather opt for more speed (30fr/w 10 fhr boots). Mainly so you can run around another barbs ww, and then come behind and ww them as they come out of theirs.
 
sardoniclysane said:
Even less strength needed if you go with the higher dmg (but admittedly, lower range) bhammers.

It should be of note that most people don't realize using the 3 p ammy ends up giving you 6 more life (via stat point redistribution) than 3 p rub. does. Well, he knew that, but amazing how many people DON'T know that on bnet.


My only suggestion would be to have fhr on the belt, and also while cb is nice, I’d rather opt for more speed (30fr/w 10 fhr boots). Mainly so you can run around another barbs ww, and then come behind and ww them as they come out of theirs.
Omg 6 more life Omg Omg ;) . Personally I prefer adding the strenght instead of using pame because biggins works better for me, and also you have more choices. Ex-3sok Ruby, Biggins, 240def 70 life 25+ dual res Grim.. which I happen to have ehehe..sexy brown.
 

Murrogh

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Standard Legal Tender said:
Omg 6 more life Omg Omg ;) . Personally I prefer adding the strenght instead of using pame because biggins works better for me, and also you have more choices. Ex-3sok Ruby, Biggins, 240def 70 life 25+ dual res Grim.. which I happen to have ehehe..sexy brown.
I agree... I like to socket items with rubies because it makes it more versitle; on most chars a ruby would be better
 

TheCerberus

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Of course a high end rare will beat out most of those items, but when you're working on a very small budget, yeah, 6 life matters.
 
Murrogh said:
I agree... I like to socket items with rubies because it makes it more versitle; on most chars a ruby would be better

I can understand it being more versitile, but then, it's not like p gems and 3 sock helms are hard to come by.
 

Murrogh

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sardoniclysane said:
I can understand it being more versitile, but then, it's not like p gems and 3 sock helms are hard to come by.
I meant for rares. like a rare grim helm I would rather put a ruby in than a amythest
 

fredsta54

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magnet said:
ingore most of this. its rubbish.
i agree


Locke07 said:
Clegs are great! I am working on my BvB using cleg's set and it is working wonderful. Adds deadly strike coupled with open wounds from SB and crushing blow from goblin toes. Fredista is the one who gave me the idea after he told me about his BvB

Hows it working out?
 
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