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Bush signs Terrorist Bill

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  1. llad12

    llad12 IncGamers Member

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    Bush signs Terrorist Bill

    From the Associated Press:

    So how about it folks?

    Does using sentencing people to death based on testimony obtained by torture seem fair to you?

    Does not providing legal counsel for the accused seem decent and right?

    Does kidnapping people, torturing them, and then going to trial based on hearsay evidence fit your qualifications of what is fair and just?

    Your president and legislators believe it is ...


    What do you think?
     
  2. Dondrei

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    Hmm, let's see - no habeas corpus, indefinite detention without charge, no independent legal counsel and evidence obtained by coersion and hearsay are admissible. Oh, and of course the President gets to say what constitutes torture.

    Proud day for America. Even I am surprised they aren't letting them get legal counsel, it's like they're deliberately trying to remove all doubt that they're wiping their arses with the American flag.
     
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    According to my OED "coersion" is not a valid spelling.

    I'd be damned if anything obtained by invalidly spelled coercion should be valid in courts of law, either. As has been pointed out to me oftentimes enough, not being an American makes me not qualified to judge the decisions they and their leadership make, for I cannot fully ever hope to understand their needs, being spatially and culturally so distant. That's a right call right there, for I cannot in my right mind deduce what need is there for this.
     
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    America, its starting to sound like Belgium. Congrats!
     
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    Yeah, soon you'll have your very own separation movement in, say, Oklahoma, full of your own little HAMC's, growing weed, riding bikes, reading Jung and in general being detrimental to the state of the union. Good thing here is you can have their neighbours tell on their bad behaviour so they can be put away.
     
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    Sarcasm does not become you Wildberry. :smiley:
     
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    What do I think?

    I think I'll just cancel the trips I planned to the States. Its just too easy to fall through the cracks and be gone forever. I'll just go to Thailand instead, at least there my government can exercise its rights to protect its citizens abroad. Oh, and I get legal council.
     
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    That's just . . . I can't even express how wrong that is.

    "Oh, and we made a law saying you can't complain to the justice system!"

    Separation of powers, anyone? Maybe the next bill congress signs will have a "Nobody can challenge the constitutionality of this law in court or we'll arrest you." clause.
     
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    Yes, like i said, welcome to belgium.
     
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    Oops.

    It's okay, because these are bad guys.
     
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    boobie that's what I think, I think about boobies whenever some one mentions killing, guns, rape, drugs, bombs, boobies, hockey, impeachment, cars, art, sports in general, work, driving, yep I just think about boobies and nothing else seems to be that important anymore, myabe you should try it.
     
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    Point taken. There are places in the world in which the rights of the citizens are more downtrodden. A fact.

    I'm not sure how far it goes in meaning and successfully proponing the view that things should be worse where they previously were rather well, however.
     
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    I've been thinking this for years ... apart from family reasons I don't think I'd travel to teh country any more ... prehaps this is what they want?
     
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    Hm, my avatar, although old, feels right at home here
     
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    My apologies to you Webdragon and any others on this board who are upset.

    We should run every GOP and rebel Democrat who voted for this bill outa town. We should impeach this sorry-*** president and try him for crimes against humanity.

    By God, the Supreme Court better strike this law down.

    This isn't what America is supposed to stand for ... this isn't my America.

    Damn these people ... damn them all to Hell.
     
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    Wow. I'm kinda scared living here now.
     
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    Carefull llad, you'll end up on the terrorist list like me.
     
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    How many more crimes against human decency will the US commit before the "war on terror" is no longer a valid blanket justification for pretty much...anything.

    How many more countries will we invade?
    How many more rights must we have taken from us?

    More importantly, is there anything we can do to stop it?
     
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    I'll get shouted down again, but I'll say it again.
    This law does not apply to American citizens, so if you live in America, it does not apply to you.
    If you check the law that was just signed, you'd also realize that there is a court system set up to handle these trials and a review system to handle any issues of legality that may be raised during these trials.
    I do agree, a confession given under duress may be questionable, but it is a confession.
    All this about "whittling away our rights" is merely fear-mongering and is no different than the to-do made about wiretaps....a whole lot of hand wringing about an issue that had NO consequences.
     
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    Doesnt your article say that they are protected from torture
     
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