Buriza vs WWs

Niekalas

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Buriza vs WWs

I have look through several bow amazon guides and none of them compared these two weapons. They are both cheap and will be my zons only weapon choses until I find a 4 os MB or start thinking that shes good enough for a windforce. So I want your opinion, witch one would you pick and why.
 

Linpopo

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Re: Buriza vs WWs

Buriza
+More damage
+100% pierce
+Some dex
+Slows
-Requires 110 str

WWS
+A bit faster
+Free magic arrows
+40 res

I prefer Buriza.
 

HellPlayer

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Re: Buriza vs WWs

Add to wws pros the ctc amplify dmg and 2os to customize it and for me you have a better weapon than buriza(still good and suspect to be good as wws or even better for a FA zon but i never tested this).
HellPlayer

Edit:make sure the wws is upgraded to diamond bow
 
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PFSS

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Re: Buriza vs WWs

Don't crossbows have a lot of difficulty in reaching high attack speeds?

Out of the two I'd go WWS - the 2% CtC Amp actually triggers fairly often given how many arrows you're sending out there, particulary if you have decent pierce. That combined with the rather high Deadly Strike... if the enemy is amped and DS triggers you'll be putting out 4 times the listed damage. Which is nice.

The resists are nice too.

Assuming you're a Strafer this is.
 

maiku

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Re: Buriza vs WWs

Firefox is annoying me a lot tonight. I had a detailed post written up comparing the two, but the stupid browser had an error and closed.

I'll rewrite the gist of it.

Buriza: I think this can do quite a lot more damage than a WWS if you build your zon for it and use the right equipment and stat layout. If combined with a "Lawbringer"/Reaper's Toll Merc, this would do even more brutal damage. If you can include an Atma's Scarab in your equipment, you will do crazy damage.

WWS: This offers a lot of power, equipment flexibility, resists, and Amp/PI solutions. All-in-one bow right here.


If you choose a high-damage Burizon, consider some of the following posts I've written about a Strafer Burizon (not exactly the same as the famed/hated Burizon of old):

http://forums.diabloii.net/showpost.php?p=6051155&postcount=12
http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=604776&highlight=Buriza

Tips for Buriza:

1. Buriza's cold damage and freezing are part of its crowd control. If you combine this with more cold charms and Slow on something like Nosferatu's Coil = messed up enemies who die painfully.

2. Since it shoots slower with Strafe or Multishot, make each and every shot count more (i.e., make it more damaging and deadly). Focus on max and min damage. You're going to really like a Might Merc with this crossbow.

3. Remember by using Buriza you have 100% Pierce automatically. No need for Razortail, and this allows you to use a wide variety of belts that complement your setup or design.

4. An upped Buriza can be worth it, so long as you plan for it. See above posts. It will do quite a lot more damage if upped, but you will need the Str to use it.

5. Did I mention that the IK set pieces, Nosferatu's Coil, Giant Skull, Andy's Visage, etc. work really well with a Burizon? Cough, cough. They all grant massive amounts of +Str and benefits for the build. Make those Str worries go away. I don't think it's a legitimate criticism that Buriza requires too much Strength when or if you can get these items.


If you choose a Witchyzon, you should check out this guide:

http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=240912

Having made a Witchyzon, I learned some important things to take her from mediocre to excellent:

1. 100% Pierce. High pierce = more chances to proc Amp + hit enemies with your stinging arrows.

2. 20-30% Crushing Blow in your rig total. With Strafe, this means enemies can be hit 1-3 times by CB in quick succession and get their life chewed up fast.

In fact, WWS is perfect for this:

(a) WWS can reach 8/2 or 9/2 Strafe with the right equipment. Fast Strafe = lots of opportunities for Amping + CB.
(b) WWS's Amp covers a large enough area to curse a pack or packs of monsters, which allows monsters to be ready to receive a lot of Deadly Strike and Crushing Blow in their faces.
(c) High DS means that succeeding arrows will kill off monsters after CB has weakened them.
(d) You should wear Razortail, so you have 100% Pierce, which means a lot more chances for Amping and CBing enemies. You will kill much faster this way. The difference between 85% Pierce and 100% Pierce on kill speed with WWS is large and noticeable.

3. Wear Laying of Hands. Best gloves for this build, IMO. 350% off-weapon ED to demons. It's like wearing a "Fortitude" armor on your hands against demons, and there are a lot of demons in this game.

4. Stockpile a lot of +max and +min damage charms. Best ones you can get. Because of WWS's Deadly Strike and Amp, a Witchyzon can squeeze a lot more out of these than most Bowazons do. Also, Razortail is wonderful on this build because it offers a lot of +dex and +10 max damage (like a +max damage GC). Remember that WWS's DS scales with level, so by Level 80-85, you can look at most of your attacks doing double damage, and Amp will further enhance those shots.

5. Go for high Dex, as much as reasonably possible, because WWS once again makes the Dex investment quite worth it for the same reasons as the +min and +max damage charms.

On my Witchyzon, I had over 500+ Dex and she was capable of reaching around theoretically 4-6K max damage once Might, DS, and Amp were factored in. It is possible to build a Dexazon (all Dexterity) Witchyzon, although I did not have that opportunity.

Other bows you may not want to overlook are Eaglehorn the Crusader Bow and a "Harmony" made in an elite bow, like a Matriarchal Bow. Much of what I mentioned above also applies to a Strafer built around these bows, although modify as needed (such as including Atma's Scarab for Amp).
 
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maiku

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Re: Buriza vs WWs

Don't crossbows have a lot of difficulty in reaching high attack speeds?
Normal crossbows, but Buriza comes with an in-built 80% IAS. With Shael, 100% IAS right there. Huge amounts of IAS can be provided by other equipment. For 3 fpa Strafe with Buriza, 215% IAS is required. 100% from Shaeled Buriza. 115% left for equipment to provide. See one of the linked posts where I discuss how it's possible to achieve this amount through multiple equipment combinations.

Out of the two I'd go WWS - the 2% CtC Amp actually triggers fairly often given how many arrows you're sending out there, particulary if you have decent pierce. That combined with the rather high Deadly Strike... if the enemy is amped and DS triggers you'll be putting out 4 times the listed damage. Which is nice.
Amp triggers most often if you have 100% Pierce (with Razortail) and a fast Strafe (8/2 or 8/3). With less than that, you have to wait...sometimes a while. That's what I noticed when I started my Witchyzon, and it originally made me think that Witchyzons were not as effective as I'd been led to believe. Switching to Razortail and fast Strafe changed that, so that I could get Amp on almost every pack quickly. You want Amp to trigger on the first or second Strafe volley if possible.

Assuming you're a Strafer this is.
WWS works very well with Strafe thanks to Strafe's fast and efficient procs. It's kind of like Zeal, Dragon Talon, etc. in that regard.


 

Shock

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Re: Buriza vs WWs

Awesome post maiku. I rerolled my witchyzon cause i wasn't happy with the damage at the start of hell (I had put 120 into vitality) so I went pure dex this time. She's about to kill the summoner in normal and I've noticed a big difference in her performance.

Neikalas, if you plan to get a valk, I highly recommend "glass cannon"
 

maiku

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Re: Buriza vs WWs

Yes, Valk is really nice on a glass cannon/Dexazon, and it's not like the Witchyzon is strapped for points, since the bow makes investments into Critical Strike useless beyond the initial 1 point. On a Witchyzon, I'd recommend maxing Valk. If you want a crowd stopper, 1-point Frozen Arrow works too. Found it quite usefull when running Chaos Sanctuary. FA then Strafe away. If you don't want to use FA, get knockback, either from gloves or Nef in bow (or Giant Skull).
 

slayer37

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Re: Buriza vs WWs

The really good thing about WWS is that it lets you focus on damage/speed and you save a lot of skill points since you don't need to put in more points into CS and a PI solution skill. The built-in slvl20 MA is enough while you wait for the ctc AMP to kick in. Factor in the 40-all-resists and you have more room in shuffling equipment/charms to further upgrade your damage. Yep, I love this bow. :thumbsup:
 

maiku

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Re: Buriza vs WWs

Yeah, it is a little wonder bow. I wonder what the damage would be like on a Witchyzon built with all Dex and using "Fortitude" + Laying of Hands. I know that's overkill, since WWS is a "budget bow"--but it's just cool. I still have a lot of affection for it. I also like Buriza too.
 

KremBanan

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Re: Buriza vs WWs

I wonder what the damage would be like on a Witchyzon built with all Dex and using "Fortitude" + Laying of Hands. I know that's overkill, since WWS is a "budget bow"--
Is this a good oppertunity to mention my 170ed upped WWS socketed with 2x 40/15maxers. With LoH, Fortitude, Giant Skull sox with 2x 40/15ias etc etc. With Faith merc :grin:



 

Ugla

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Re: Buriza vs WWs

I did a Buriza MS/Strafe build once, and WWS was one of the switch options I've tried :wink3:
 
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