Bruce Lee Tribute Video

[Mr Bones]

A fit large man who can fight has a huge advantage over a fit small man who can fight. Lee was a small man. It doesn´t matter much if he could have used his legs if the match would have been no holds barred. You sound like you´ve watched UFC, so you should know that striking is only really good until the takedown. I can´t for the life of me see how Lee could have beat a fighter outweighing him by, let´s say 40kg, on the ground. Standing up, a boxer would have a hard time if he didn´t make a point of sticking close and keeping his chin down... but then that´s what boxers do.

I woulden't exactly call UFC 'no holds barred' of course it is quite unregulated but I think xXxDraGoNxXx1123 was talking about something more along the lines of a street fight, in such a case could you imagine the effect of one of Bruce's side kicks upon his opponents lead knee cap or a finger fan to his opponents eyes? Of course I'm not one of those who are of the opinion that Bruce could have defeated anybody (in a boxing match or a MMA match or grappling I think he would have been taking out pretty quickly but when it came to quick, effectice and some what brutal techniques bruce was the man.

Btw has anybody seen when he peforms 'the cobra' can't remeber which movie it's in (didn't really like his movies) but it involves him mainly flexing his pecs and shoulder muscles, my god the muscle mass that he had accumulated... But still of course I think he may have been very strong for his size but his strength woulden't really match up to someone of a larger frame with more muscles (not saying they would have therefore been the superior fighter just stronger) and Sapp.. :lol: Anyone a follower of Bonjansky in K1? :thumbsup:

 

[xXxDraGoNxXx1123]

Who were these fighters he beat a bunch at a time? Were they professional fighters? Street brawlers? Could you name some of them? And I´m speaking only of the guys he beat many at a time now. Did any of them have some sort of fighting career or were they muggers?

Mainly at the time, it would be groups of other martial artists. Due to Bruce Lees insolence in teaching westerners martial arts(which was against a well known unwritten rule at that time) he made many enemies in the traditional martial arts world. Many times he was attacked by a group of trained(a teacher would't send a bunch of "green" fighters after a man like Bruce) fighters to teach him a lesson.

Most of these things are undocumented due to the fact that Bruce himself came to grips with the fact that this would be common for him as long as he continued to defy tradition. Even when he won his famous fight that "allowed" him to teach westerners, he was still a target. Some are documented and I will gather what I can find for you. Mainly I have books so I will type up a few examples once I get some free time.

The fighters who sought him out are also interesting to me. Those guys I can believe were real fighters, but I wonder of what caliber. Give me the names of a few of those guys and I´ll check their careers out and see if they were any good.

Like above, he was challenged so often, he didn't bother to record most of them. Some are and I will track the info down for you.

It is fairly safe to say though that they were of pretty high calibur. You wouldn't go through the trouble of tracking a man down who was believed to be "the greatest martial artist" if you weren't sure of your abilities.

Please don´t bring up the sadness that is Bob Sapp here to prove to me that smaller fighters can beat bigger fighters. It´s really not a viable example since Sapp can´t fight and can barely stand up for three minutes without getting exhausted.

:lol:

No no no, I won't. You only asked me to list "skilled" fighters so I will stay away from bringing him up. Skilled to me also refers to how long you can fight by keeping yourself fit.

I can´t for the life of me see how Lee could have beat a fighter outweighing him by, let´s say 40kg, on the ground.

I think others addressed the other points, so I'll take this one. Ju Jitsu and other similar forms. Many techniques focus on not only center of gravity, but using your opponents own weight against them in throws, chokes, and submission. I highly recommend looking into this, it is an amazing martial art form.

 

[SDC Pred]

There's a bunch of videos at http://www.aikidofaq.com/video/ with some Aikido masters effortlessly tossing aside people younger and with more muscles than them.

 

[Drosselmeier]

I woulden't exactly call UFC 'no holds barred' ...

Well... aside from the poking of the eyes and the kicking of the nuts, it effectively is. Most things I can think of that would be effective in a fight but that don´t have a high probability of maiming someone for life are allowed in Pride, and the rules are about the same, aren´t they?
Of course, I haven´t seen more than maybe two UFC events so maybe I shouldn´t even be talking about the rules. I can´t say I remember them that clearly.

Poking someone in the eyes is a pretty poor stategy if you go up against someone with some sort of guard anyway.

and Sapp.. :lol: Anyone a follower of Bonjansky in K1? :thumbsup:

Hehe... I saw that match fairly recently. I´m 99% certain Sapp punched him when he was lying down because he felt a heartattack coming on.
And yeah... Bonjansky is a great fighter and he´s always entertaining to watch.

I think others addressed the other points, so I'll take this one. Ju Jitsu and other similar forms. Many techniques focus on not only center of gravity, but using your opponents own weight against them in throws, chokes, and submission. I highly recommend looking into this, it is an amazing martial art form.

Mmm... I know. But still. How often do you see the smaller and weaker guy submitting the big guy? When the difference in weight/strenght gets to big technique just isn´t as useful anymore. In order to use those techniques you need to at least have the strenght to work your opponent into some sort of hold without him getting a good position himself. If your opponent is way bigger than you it might be hard to control him and set things up for your move, so to speak.

 

[Mr Bones]

There's a bunch of videos at http://www.aikidofaq.com/video/ with some Aikido masters effortlessly tossing aside people younger and with more muscles than them.

I'd personally put that down more to technique than chi. Old akido masters are indeed great though I think its more to do with their years of hard work, focus and development of technique. As it goes I do believe in chi to an extent..

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Well... aside from the poking of the eyes and the kicking of the nuts, it effectively is. Most things I can think of that would be effective in a fight but that don´t have a high probability of maiming someone for life are allowed in Pride, and the rules are about the same, aren´t they?
Of course, I haven´t seen more than maybe two UFC events so maybe I shouldn´t even be talking about the rules. I can´t say I remember them that clearly.

UFC=

Fouls:
Butting with the head.
Eye gouging of any kind.
Biting.
Hair pulling.
Fish hooking.
Groin attacks of any kind.
Putting a finger into any orifice or into any cut or laceration on an opponent.
Small joint manipulation.
Striking to the spine or the back of the head.
Striking downward using the point of the elbow.
Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea.
Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh.
Grabbing the clavicle.
Kicking the head of a grounded opponent.
Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent.
Stomping a grounded opponent.
Kicking to the kidney with the heel.
Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck.
Throwing an opponent out of the ring or fenced area.
Holding the shorts or gloves of an opponent.
Spitting at an opponent.
Engaging in an unsportsmanlike conduct that causes an injury to an opponent.
Holding the ropes or the fence.
Using abusive language in the ring or fenced area.
Attacking an opponent on or during the break.
Attacking an opponent who is under the care of the referee.
Attacking an opponent after the bell has sounded the end of the period of unarmed combat.
Flagrantly disregarding the instructions of the referee.
Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury.
Interference by the corner.
Throwing in the towel during competition.

http://www.ufc.tv/learnUFC/rulesUfc.asp

rest of the stuff there is mostly just technical stuff about the structure of the matches.

Got to keep in mind that it is in the promoters best interests to minimize damage to their fighters to ensure more fights which of course in turn=more ticket sales/promotions=more money.

And what you said about the eye gouge yeah I agree and I suppose a boxer of all people would have a damn good parry or dodge motion against most hand attacks but still with enough speed or a little distraction if one gets in it is terrible as my old JKD instructor once told me, he got used to taking blows full on in his shins, thigh, face etc and could stay aggressive and not fall back under the blows however one day his teacher (Bob Breen) misjudged a finger fan and caught him in the eyes, the instructor said that he just lost the will to keep fighting and had real trouble mainting his stance/guard.

 

[Drosselmeier]

There's a bunch of videos at http://www.aikidofaq.com/video/ with some Aikido masters effortlessly tossing aside people younger and with more muscles than them.

There´s no way I´m going to DL all of those.

I tried one and I got two guys doing some sort of exhibition walking through the moves slowly. That doesn´t really show anyone anything about anything. An exhibition is hardly the same thing as a fight.

EDIT: Wow. That´s a lot of rules. I know some of that is allowed in Pride, throwing in the towel for example

 

[Wuhan_Clan]

Would it have been better if I had said Bruce Lee had one of the best chances of any human?

Yes we all have our opinions and mine of Bruce might be overrated but I really don't think it should be categorized as "bad".

Bruce Lee definately is the most famous person who would be among the top human fighters of all time. A lot of what he can do is documented and its all incredible. I'm sure others have attained or even surpassed his abilities but where the **** are they? I don't know them.

That is why I didn't choose some unheard of freak who trains in the jungle and kills gorillas for sport. There are probably some anonymous guys out there who might be better then Bruce in a one-shot all or nothing anything-goes brawl but I'd still put my money on Bruce.

Maybe my opinion is very biased and misinformed but hey, its not something to get into a big fuss about.

No harm :drool:

 

[Drosselmeier]

Didn´t mean to sound harsh. Sorry ´bout that man. It´s just that I´ve been in that whole Tyson Vs. Lee discussion so many times and steam starts shooting from my ears as soon as I see it coming on, or as soon as someone mentions Lee and his "super elite OMFG fighting techniques of the mighty 3" punch" really. I don´t mean any harm.

Kiss and make up?

*puckers up*