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Boy Scouts Case is Pot. Kettle. Black.

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Anakha1, Mar 9, 2004.

  1. Anakha1

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    Boy Scouts Case is Pot. Kettle. Black.

    http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/03/08/scotus.boyscouts.ap/index.html

    Anyone else see a lot of hypocracy in their arguments?
     
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    The BSA is unapologetic in its discriminatory practices. I don't support the governmental funding of moral advocacy groups (which the BSA has made itself into, IMO) even if I agree with the position. No one is violating their right to Free Speech by refusing to fund it. Don't the Girl Scouts sell cookies to raise money?
     
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    They discriminate against homsexuals and say its their right as a private organization. Then they say they're being discriminated against by not receiving funding because they discriminate against other people... They can be as predjudiced and discriminatory as they like. It's their civil right as a private organization, but that doesn't give them the right, and in fact by law excludes them, to federal funding. If they take such opinions publicly they have to be prepared for the consequences.

    Unless you were being sarcastic... I don't know if that was what the :scratch: was for...
     
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    Question: were you a Boy Scout?

    Did you go camping and such? Do you understand male bonding?
     
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    Amra: What does male bonding have to do with public funding?
     
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    I was a boy scout, Life rank actually, the second highest. Then I quit because all the guys in the troop sucked at life. So I killed them in the face.

    I don't regret it. Friggin militaristic butt******s.

    EDIT: Oh wow I discovered a new censored word. I'll give you a hint: It rhymes with ******s....hahahaha!!

    EDIT2: Oh, and it starts with W not F.
     
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    I was a boy scout, yes. I've also been in the military for over 4 years. I think it's safe to say I understand male bonding. And as Durf points out, that has nothing to do with whether it receives money from the government. They can discriminate all they want against people they don't want in their organization. But they should realize that by doing so exempts them from federal funding. They shouldn't be whining about having the same thing done to them as they're doing to others.
     
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    "employee payroll deductions"


    Sounds private to me.


    My questions stands.
     
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    And I answered it. What does male bonding have to do with federal funding? The fact that they have admitted to discriminating against homosexuals in their organization legally omits them from charitable funding from the government. They should have thought about that before they decided to be predjudiced morons.

    Edit: The payroll deduction plan is still a federally run charitable donation. Hence, it's done by the government and the government can have no affiliation with discriminatory organizations.
     
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    How does people giving their own money equal federal funding??
     
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    If you know more about the Connecticut deductions scheme, out with it.

    If the funds are taken from paychecks and then distributed to a set of groups chosen by the administering body (the state), the Scouts need to be removed from the set.

    If the funds are earmarked specifically for each individual group by the workers whose pay we're divvying up, then the state is still spending money on the job of administering those funds. The workers can still donate that exact same amount to the Scouts if they see fit to do so, and no state intervention is required.

    What kind of deductions scheme is in place in Connecticut? And more importantly, does it matter?
     
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    I'm still not hearing about how male bonding has anything to do with it.

    If it's deducted from federal salaries, then the federal gov't has a link to the organization that it cannot afford. If those people want to take money from their paycheques and individually donate whatever they want to the BSA, they're free to do so. But as of now it's a federally run charity and the BSA has no place on that list since their recent statement of policy.
     
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    "Chosen by... the state."

    Is anyone else worried?

    That is so wrong.
     
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    It matters if these deductions are pre- or post-tax. If pre- then I have a problem. If post- then it's not so bad, but still, if the state is employing people to divvy it up...
     
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    No. The government has always funded charitable organizations. But there are stipulations on what qualifies for federal funding. The BSA broke the rules so it lost funding. Case closed.
     
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    And it's worrying because . . . ? Because the people need to be the ones in charge of picking the recipients of their money? Fine! They can do this. They can--and should--do it without tying up public resources (the accounting departments who handle collection and disbursement of funds).

    If people want to support the BSA they can do so. All it takes is a fifty-cent Bic pen and a checkbook.

    If the money comes from the hands of the state--no matter whose money it was in the first place--it has to be distributed in line with state antidiscrimination rules.
     
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    Would you support an adult female sleeping in the same quarters with boys or young men? Meaning a 21 year old woman with an 18 year old boy?

    Edit: or other age differences?
     
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    Would it be acceptable if she were a lesbian?
     
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    Of course. Welcome to the Boy Scouts in the USA.
     

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