Bowzon > What?

stuslegend

stuslegend

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Dennis_KoreanGuy said:
a hybrid's a lot more effective than a pure bower yes.

but some things like 40% fcr bvcs, desynch smiters, ghosts, etc. etc. are just too hard.
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1st. part i agree with, but bowa hybrids rly only have 1 pt in a few jav skills

2nd. part i disagree with, these just take more practice.. and some desynch

only chars that the best bowzons should lose (gm dueling) to constantly is auradins and bva(40fcr)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4diLtsA0wvc



 
Dennis_KoreanGuy

Dennis_KoreanGuy

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stuslegend said:
1st. part i agree with, but bowa hybrids rly only have 1 pt in a few jav skills

2nd. part i disagree with, these just take more practice.. and some desynch

only chars that the best bowzons should lose (gm dueling) to constantly is auradins and bva(40fcr)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4diLtsA0wvc
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1st comment = obviously, the main reason to go for hybrid is to have max block on switch, having a lvl 1 lf is just a bonus.

2nd comment = i disagree with, they ARE very very hard for a hybrid bower. just take more practice? yeah, with tons of practice you'd maybe have an equal chance to those opponents who've had minimal practice.

some desynch?

no matter how fast your bowie can run with block + d/a/e and practice you've had

you will have an insanely difficult time against a 11 frame tele leap barb, 11 frame tele mb + wof ghost, and a desynch smiter



 
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Mylady

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Dennis_KoreanGuy said:
heh, my old zon, west l, 7k/500life/kb/7fpa/1xxfrw/ss-etitan switch

a hybrid's a lot more effective than a pure bower yes.

but some things like 40% fcr bvcs, desynch smiters, ghosts, etc. etc. are just too hard.
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hybrid ?

best is always bowzone with 1 point into lf/jab

my friend has one of the best bowzons on eu, almost 2k life/ max dr and 6.xk dmg, perf items, good res

tought char for most (desynch is very annoying) and impossible for wolves/bears,c/c trappers (y trappers cant beat good bowzon using whisp or tg), pure charger> bowzon , all other can be beaten if u will meet pro players u have lower chance to win than they.


 
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akumaxxyz

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Mylady said:
hybrid ?

best is always bowzone with 1 point into lf/jab

my friend has one of the best bowzons on eu, almost 2k life/ max dr and 6.xk dmg, perf items, good res

tought char for most (desynch is very annoying) and impossible for wolves/bears,c/c trappers (y trappers cant beat good bowzon using whisp or tg), pure charger> bowzon , all other can be beaten if u will meet pro players u have lower chance to win than they.
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nty.. bone necro absolutely destroys bowazons sm or no sm



 
Josiphos

Josiphos

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stuslegend said:
only chars that the best bowzons should lose (gm dueling) to constantly is auradins and bva(40fcr)
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A laughable statement.


My bvc w 20 fcr is yet to lose to one. Its not even a fight.


With a libby, I just close my eyes and they die.

Smiter, yawn, instant pwnage w 1 pt charge.

Basically the only char bowzons can kill are no block es sorcs and fury wolves. Oh and people they snipe while townguarding.



 
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Diablokgb

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Josiphos said:
A laughable statement.


My bvc w 20 fcr is yet to lose to one. Its not even a fight.


With a libby, I just close my eyes and they die.

Smiter, yawn, instant pwnage w 1 pt charge.

Basically the only char bowzons can kill are no block es sorcs and fury wolves. Oh and people they snipe while townguarding.
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If you played east i would of shown you my hybrid :)



 
Dennis_KoreanGuy

Dennis_KoreanGuy

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Josiphos said:
A laughable statement.


My bvc w 20 fcr is yet to lose to one. Its not even a fight.


With a libby, I just close my eyes and they die.

Smiter, yawn, instant pwnage w 1 pt charge.

Basically the only char bowzons can kill are no block es sorcs and fury wolves. Oh and people they snipe while townguarding.
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I don't agree with the statement, but I don't agree with yours either.

A non doom 20fc tele bvc can be easily slain given the duel takes place from far away and bower starts spamming in general direction far away. realistically speaking, bvc's go down a lot faster than other char to high physical dmg bowers, its just that its hard to get those couple hits in.

Any grief wielding charge using paly will have a huge advantage over most bowers. but with a funked out hybrid, especially combined with tele, can still kill more than "no block es sorcs and fury wolves".

and fyi

a non tele bower, hybrid or not, will have a very hard time against a doom fury wolf



 
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SlainByPain

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The problem is that there are VERY few decent bowazons left. My zerker with 1 pt. in WW has yet to lose to one. But I should remind you that they were all extremely bad.
 
HappyAssassin

HappyAssassin

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Bowazons shine in team duels where they can have high level BO, aura support and people to protect them. A good bowazon on a 4v4 team will totally change the dynamic of the duel because she controls so much space with so much damage. Of course, if the zon's team makes a mistake a fast bvc or windy player can often pick off the zon. I guess the point here is that zons are very strong with support and they need coordination with other chars to be as strong as they can be.

Any one who has ever been in a good 4v4 can vouch for this.
 
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MaG_Thunder

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it's very difficult to say who a bowzon or even a hybrid can consistently beat. everyone has different experiences playing with or against bowzons and so everyone has different a opinion.

i beat bvc's 80% of the time on my own bowzon but that doesn't mean bowzon>bvc. it just means west has loads of bad bvcs :rolleyes:

in my own opinion a bowzon/hybrid's hardest opponent is a charger/smiter using greif as i rarely see any bowzon beat one. thats not to say a skilled hybrid effectively using decoy/valk and blood moor potholes can't beat the occasion smiter however.
thats my two cents :D
 
Josiphos

Josiphos

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Dennis_KoreanGuy said:
A non doom 20fc tele bvc can be easily slain given the duel takes place from far away and bower starts spamming in general direction far away. realistically speaking, bvc's go down a lot faster than other char to high physical dmg bowers, its just that its hard to get those couple hits in.
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Yeah if the bower gets 10 arrows at me as soon as I step out, is off screen running the other direction, and my little brother pulls my mouse cord out all at the same time


It could happen.


These zons must be the same ones who spam 5000 arrows at people while they are trying to BO.

Do those kills count?



 
Dennis_KoreanGuy

Dennis_KoreanGuy

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HappyAssassin said:
Bowazons shine in team duels where they can have high level BO, aura support and people to protect them. A good bowazon on a 4v4 team will totally change the dynamic of the duel because she controls so much space with so much damage. Of course, if the zon's team makes a mistake a fast bvc or windy player can often pick off the zon. I guess the point here is that zons are very strong with support and they need coordination with other chars to be as strong as they can be.

Any one who has ever been in a good 4v4 can vouch for this.
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A bower is one of the best tvt dueler build, yes.
josiphos said:
Yeah if the bower gets 10 arrows at me as soon as I step out, is off screen running the other direction, and my little brother pulls my mouse cord out all at the same time


It could happen.


These zons must be the same ones who spam 5000 arrows at people while they are trying to BO.

Do those kills count?
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That's not necessary, keep it clean please
-Happy

Bowers are a completely viable pvp build. I'm not even gonna bother explaining how
sarcastic kid said:
Basically the only char bowzons can kill are no block es sorcs and fury wolves. Oh and people they snipe while townguarding.
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is false.



 
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akumaxxyz

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MaG_Thunder said:
it's very difficult to say who a bowzon or even a hybrid can consistently beat. everyone has different experiences playing with or against bowzons and so everyone has different a opinion.

i beat bvc's 80% of the time on my own bowzon but that doesn't mean bowzon>bvc. it just means west has loads of bad bvcs :rolleyes:

in my own opinion a bowzon/hybrid's hardest opponent is a charger/smiter using greif as i rarely see any bowzon beat one. thats not to say a skilled hybrid effectively using decoy/valk and blood moor potholes can't beat the occasion smiter however.
thats my two cents :D
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duel me sometime with bowzon if your on ladder, i got access to bvc. what your account?



 
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dainbramage

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mainaman said:
oh really check this out then:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvNhlFgjUsM
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My eyes! They bleed!


If there was ever a video to teach you how to not play and make a bowazon, that'd be it. Note the standing and spamming, and the distinct lack of fr/w. The bowie tanked one hammer, meaning it's vita - also shown by it's ridiculous lack of damage. A min damage roll can explain the lack of black on the h-din's health bar... kinda. Didn't notice any dodges, but that can be luck (considering it only takes two hammers to kill a full-vita bowie, a massive one more than a glass cannon) - then again, I'm also assuming the bowie rolled a non-crit minimum damage roll, plus didn't kill the h-din with more hits when the firestorm procced, presumably again due to min damage rolls? I can go on.

At any rate, the main point of my ranting is that the bowie should have been desynching far more than the hammerdin, rather than standing and spamming.



 
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