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bowazon = weak?

Discussion in 'Amazon' started by yuli, May 30, 2008.

  1. yuli

    yuli IncGamers Member

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    bowazon = weak?

    I like playing PVM. I recently got back with my ama after playing my pala zeal/fana build for a long time.

    The very slow killing rate of my ama is really frustrating especially when playing in large party's. Sure with max IAS the arrow spam is fast but the monsters don't drop as fast as I would like.

    Can I improve this build with better gear? I have a nice BOTD bow but without the Fana aura from faith it's useless. Act I merc cannot equip Faith because it's Amazon only..


    I have a lvl ** ama with:
    - mav diadem with 15 ias jewel
    - highlords amu
    - fortitude armor
    - razortail belt
    - perf. ravenfrost
    - manald (for mana leach need a good rare with dual leach)
    - laying of hands
    - faith bow with lvl 15 fana
    - Gore rider boots
    - anni
    - torch
    - 4 x skillers with life
    - 4 x sc max poison
    - rest dex charms with res or life

    almost all points are in dex (4xx)


    merc:
    - infinity
    - COH
    - andy visage

    I use multi for crowds and max strafe for dmg.
     
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  2. Kijya

    Kijya IncGamers Member

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    Re: bowazon = weak?

    Switch to pride unless you're a hybrid.

    Fill inventory with +max charms (with life or frw if you're rich) and throw away the poison, skillers and dex charms.

    What base bow is your faith?



     
  3. yuli

    yuli IncGamers Member

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    Re: bowazon = weak?

    Base bow is a GMB.

    So better equip my merc with pride for concentration and I use faith with fana.

    charms are no problem

    thx, I will try agian
     
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    Re: bowazon = weak?

    If you are pvp use faith but if you are going pvm use a windforce and faith on your merc. When I made my first bowazon I really looked into it and windforce with a faith merc does more damage than a faith and an act 2 might merc with pride. As for the charms go with +max damage/life skillers won't really do anything unless you use guided arrow.
     
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    yuli IncGamers Member

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    Re: bowazon = weak?

    What about Faith merc and then BOTD bow compared to Windforce?
     
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    Re: bowazon = weak?

    no no no. BotD bow works, but it's sub par. i'd chose many other bows over it.
     
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    Re: bowazon = weak?

    Then you're 10 ias short of the 7 frame bp for multi. If you wish to reach this bp without having to loose razortail I'd reccomend a WF+faith merc setup (though the faith must ofc be in a non amazon only bow).

    8 fpa is still enough mind ya, but those of us who've played bowzons for to long have gone speedblind. :wink3:



     
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    Re: bowazon = weak?

    Those of us who have been playing bowzons for a REALLY long time remember the days when buriza speed was perfectly acceptable =D. 7 frames is pretty overrated.
     
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    Re: bowazon = weak?

    I know it may be hard to get but
    http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/frooglemo2/merc-faith.jpg
    those works great.

    Windforce and botd will work fine for pvm but i can only suggest faith for pvp. If you use faith in pvm it seems like you'd be losing mana steal (your gear has lots of mana+ items and steal items).
     
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    Re: bowazon = weak?

    i am coming back now and i will make my bowazon now, so what is the best?
    faith whit act 2 merc+pride
    or
    wf whit merc act 1 equiped whit faith ?
    what do more dmg in pvm?
    btw, what is the better bow to i make my faith? what option i have to choose?
     
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    Re: bowazon = weak?

    If you equip your precious merc with faith, you will generally do more damage, but I would give the act 2 merc the upper edge. He is stronger, he hits harder, and if he dies you still have a very respectable damage and the ias frame stays the same. However, if your faith-wielding merc dies, you are basically losing a whole lot of damage and you will mis out on the breakpoint as well unless supported by fanaticism. Suit yourself.


     
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    Re: bowazon = weak?

    The idea is that your act 1 merc won't die, unlike your act 2 merc which pwns himself every 5 second due to IM. Of course, this is not a problem if your zon never do Chaos, WSK, or Furnace of Pain (and 1 or 2 dungeons in act 5 which nobody visits).
     
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    Re: bowazon = weak?

    2nd that, Faith rogue stays alive. Or mine get killed about once per 50 baalruns and never in Chaos.
    In pits (full game) act2 merc could be better, but monster in there have so low life that ama can clear place even without merc.
    And I need WF, to spam FA without drinking pots. So Faith merc is only option for me.

    ---
    WF+nigma+shako+atma+Loh+raven+arach+NaturePiece+3resistBoots
    FA+strafe/multi



     
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    Re: bowazon = weak?

    I'm following act 1 faith merc advice with WF as base weapon. I dropped my lvl ** ama because of misplaced skill points in guided.

    I'm currently lvl 65 in NM. Got my inventory full with 3/20 sc with fhr and frw.
    Got already a few end gear peaces on (highlords, 45 mav's, forti, raven, GR, razor) and my current bow is that piercing purple one :) .

    I'm shredding monsters already in large party's.

    Shall I socket my WF with 15 ias ED jewel or go for mana leach? I can loose my manald and go for dual raven rings if I get the leach from WF or I have to stick with 1 mana leach ring and get more damage out of WF.
     
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    Re: bowazon = weak?

    Ed/ias works. You can even go for an ed/max or ohm since you can hit the IAS bp in gear. You won't need more manaleech than what you already get from WF so manald isn't needed.
     
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    Re: bowazon = weak?

    Depends, have you done ias calculation? Are you at your wanted breakpoint?

    Assuming that you are at your breakpoint, you have some options. Go for knockback - wf has knockback so this would be stupid, go for extra damage with Ohm/damage jewel or go for dualleech. I'd go for dualleech, though most people will go for damage.
    Heck, I'd go for dualleech bow and dualleech ring, though that's just me.
     
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    Re: bowazon = weak?

    Level 84 now..
    Showing off in diaruns now in full party's. I think 6 k dmg +.

    I had to abandon my WF - faith merc build because I can't make a new faith bow for a elite bow class non ladder. Trading will be an option only that takes time.

    Current setup:
    - mav’s (45 ias)
    - highlords amu (20 ias)
    - fortitude
    - faith (lvl 15 fana)
    - razortail
    - laying of hands (30 ias)
    - raven frost / manald
    - gore rider

    Inventory:
    - anni
    - torch (sometimes)
    - 1 tomb of TP
    - 2 quivers of arrows
    - rest full with 3/20 max dmg sc’s with fhr and frw

    On switch: Phoenix bow for life or mana redemption!

    Act II NM Merc setup:
    - Andy visage
    - fortitude
    - pride (lvl 20 conviction)

    Skills points unused: 40
    Base lvl 20 penetrate
    Base lvl 1 pierce
    Base lvl 5 CS
    Base lvl 7 MultiShot
    Base lvl 3 Strafe
    Base lvl 1 CA and MA
    Valk without torch but with gear lvl 17
     

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