Bowazon Using Faith +Fort Help Plz
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Freezing Rain
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I think you should be able to do well in hell with that build.. Maxed valk of course.
Freezing Rain
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Fanat definitely helps mroe for speed.
richo
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well for the KB we have a solution called: hitpower recipe gloves (drools at his own gloves~~)
and WF = the ultimate dmg and if you want dmg and ias try getting Faith on youre merc what is not reccomdended as act 1 merc = total dumb (women~~)....
ICE = frostmaiden and slows like hell making this on MB with nosferatu and frostmaiden :drool: it has heavy slow you almost not get hit and you got HF aura
faith: is the best choice for any multi/strafe/guided ama as it can get you with a (mav helm or 120/45/100) a 7 fps shoot wich is realy good while strafing or mulitshot (drools at ice/faith comb)
rgzzz
RICHO
and WF = the ultimate dmg and if you want dmg and ias try getting Faith on youre merc what is not reccomdended as act 1 merc = total dumb (women~~)....
ICE = frostmaiden and slows like hell making this on MB with nosferatu and frostmaiden :drool: it has heavy slow you almost not get hit and you got HF aura
faith: is the best choice for any multi/strafe/guided ama as it can get you with a (mav helm or 120/45/100) a 7 fps shoot wich is realy good while strafing or mulitshot (drools at ice/faith comb)
rgzzz
RICHO
Leohappy
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GMB Faith+Fort, possibly coupled with Might merc w/Pride polearm should do very good damage indeed. Add to that Laying of Hands gloves for extra 350% damage vs. Demons for even more damage.
I don't even use Fort on my Faith zon MF'er (I prefer Tal armor for MF/res) and the damage is still extremely good for most areas of the game (just don't expect a Hammerdin kind of damage). You won't be doing Baal runs any time soon but other common areas like The Pit, Flayer Jungle, Chaos Sanctuary will be soloable in 8player Hell games with ease (well, Chaos Sanct takes a bit longer due to lack of Demonic creatures, but is do-able).
IMO Knockback isn't really needed on Faith zon shooting at 7fpa, because crazy speed keeps monsters stunlocked and blocklocked almost all the time. Add to that high lvl Valk and well equipped merc and you shouldn't be taking much damage.
I don't even use Fort on my Faith zon MF'er (I prefer Tal armor for MF/res) and the damage is still extremely good for most areas of the game (just don't expect a Hammerdin kind of damage). You won't be doing Baal runs any time soon but other common areas like The Pit, Flayer Jungle, Chaos Sanctuary will be soloable in 8player Hell games with ease (well, Chaos Sanct takes a bit longer due to lack of Demonic creatures, but is do-able).
IMO Knockback isn't really needed on Faith zon shooting at 7fpa, because crazy speed keeps monsters stunlocked and blocklocked almost all the time. Add to that high lvl Valk and well equipped merc and you shouldn't be taking much damage.
Faith is not best choice for any multi/strafe/guided. First there is no 7 frame strafe. 8/2 is max and this is only 1 frame faster than 9/2 in a 10 arrow strafe cycle. The difference is basically nothing. WindForce hits 9/2 without too much difficulty and the damage kicks the crap out of faith (I have done the math and the higher listed damage on the bow gets multiplied by dex, fortitude, might etc. The overall damage from a perfect 9/2 WF strafe build is at least 25% higher than a perfect 8/2 strafe GMB faith build).richo said:
I would also like to mention that unless you are building a full mavina zon, I would avoid mavina's helm at all costs. There are so many better helmets out there including tals helm, vamp gaze, andarials vissage, rare circlets & stealskull. You should be able to hit 120% with WF without mavina's and 8 frame multi is plenty fast for a multi PvM build (faith). If you end up going for 7 frames with GMB faith you would need mavinas and the build would have zero leech.
Point of all this is...
Wf = strafe PvM
Faith GMB = Multi PvM (8 frame)
Faith matriarchal = 7 frame PvP or PvM (GMB better for PvM though)
SlainByPain
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Don't use faith mat for pvp, its too weak. Use GMB/Fort or WF/edias (if it's even available on ladder). If you really don't want to use GMB/fort and can't get a decent ed/ias armor, make the faith in shadow bow instead of mat.XZON said:
I actually have all 3. Was using faith GMB at 8 frames so I could wear dungos & shako or kira's and tgods. I kept a mavinas in stash so i could hit 7 frames but found that it sat in my stash just about the whole time. I made the matriarchal faith recently. It really comes in handy when dueling fast meele characters. When you really can't get separation, the quicker reaction of 7 frame comes in handy. Dueled a really good concentration barb and I could not kill him with the GMB but eventually got him with the matriarchal.SlainByPain said:
Decebel - A really good dual leech ring would solve the problems I guess. Multi really burns mana so I currently use a rare circlet with 8% mana and 7% life, resists and +2 skills or else I use tals mask. I also like to wear Tgods and dwarf star when I do solo Baal runs (yes I can do those safely). Tried 7 frame GMB set up and it was very annoying for me personally. Absolutely zero flexibility. My dual leech ring only had 4% mana leech though to be honest.
Decebal
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Well first do try and spell my nickname right!XZON said:
otherwise i will turn the sound to an annoying level (dB)! When it comes to leech i dont find leeching a problem! My dual ring has 7LL
and 6 ML! My ama is though a pure strafer but with some plus skills and GC i shoot 7 arrows with multiple shots! Not a problem! Though when I get low on mana i switch fast to strafe and leech that mana back! Though with the ring i have I manage to leech enough even when using multiple! More points invested into Multiple demands more mana per shot! So I guess that must be the problem! But using a nice ama helmet with +2 skills, dualllech, and other stats + dual leech ring that might not be a problem!
When I do solo baalruns i dont have a problem with souls! I use Frozen arrow as backup skill and freeze them! My merc and valk and then me take care of them easily! Of course i do drink mana and rejuv pots from time to time! Nothing wrong wtih that!
EDIT: Quote from Arreat summit
"Multishot can be a good choice to focus in and is a useful skill on all difficulty levels. You may not wish to place 20 points into this skill. As more points are placed into Multishot, the cost of the spell goes up. There is probably an ideal level for your characters, some suggest 6, or less than 10."
/Dec
SlainByPain
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My point is that there are better choices for reaching 7 frames than using a faith mat. Cruel Mats, Faith Shadow Bows, etc.XZON said:
Decebal
I think my point was that Faith is not best choice for strafe and multi GMB Faith offers better versatility at 8 frames rather than 7 frames. I hardly consider your level 7 multi to be a multi build. As a matter of fact, I don't understand why as a "pure straffer" you would bother with all that ias when there is no such thing as 7/2 strafe :scratch:
I personally like around 16 arrows or so. So I am using more mana with the extra arrows, my dual leech ring had less mana leech than yours and you still have to switch to strafe from time to time to refill the mana bulb. I have never had any leech problems either with about 5% mana leech on a strafe build. Strafe is extremely efficient mana wise. I was talking a multi build. I would much rather shoot at 8 frames, wear my rare circlet or tals mask, Tgods and dwarf star and be pretty much godly in all of hell than to wear Mavinas, nos coil and a dual leech ring just to hit 7 frames. Heck, I even get +2 more to all skills from my circlet as opposed to that mavinas. Pumps up all my passive skills even more.
slain-
cruel mats on ladder are extremely rare, faith shadow bow needs about 65% ias at 14 fanaticism if i remember correctly which means you need 10 more ias either from belt or from inherent ias on helm pre fervored. Much better than GMB (which is why I made the shadow faith it in the first place) but it still comes in handy wearing Shako, fortitude and verdungos in duals. You would have a tough time hitting 7 frames with a shadow bow with that gear. I'd personally take a +3 matriarchal Faith over shadow bow If I had to choose. Overall, I like the GMB at 8 frames for duals as much as I like matriarchal at 7 frames. Each has it's benefits in certain duels. The 7 frame speed is pretty sick though.
leo - nice ring.
I think my point was that Faith is not best choice for strafe and multi GMB Faith offers better versatility at 8 frames rather than 7 frames. I hardly consider your level 7 multi to be a multi build. As a matter of fact, I don't understand why as a "pure straffer" you would bother with all that ias when there is no such thing as 7/2 strafe :scratch:
I personally like around 16 arrows or so. So I am using more mana with the extra arrows, my dual leech ring had less mana leech than yours and you still have to switch to strafe from time to time to refill the mana bulb. I have never had any leech problems either with about 5% mana leech on a strafe build. Strafe is extremely efficient mana wise. I was talking a multi build. I would much rather shoot at 8 frames, wear my rare circlet or tals mask, Tgods and dwarf star and be pretty much godly in all of hell than to wear Mavinas, nos coil and a dual leech ring just to hit 7 frames. Heck, I even get +2 more to all skills from my circlet as opposed to that mavinas. Pumps up all my passive skills even more.
slain-
cruel mats on ladder are extremely rare, faith shadow bow needs about 65% ias at 14 fanaticism if i remember correctly which means you need 10 more ias either from belt or from inherent ias on helm pre fervored. Much better than GMB (which is why I made the shadow faith it in the first place) but it still comes in handy wearing Shako, fortitude and verdungos in duals. You would have a tough time hitting 7 frames with a shadow bow with that gear. I'd personally take a +3 matriarchal Faith over shadow bow If I had to choose. Overall, I like the GMB at 8 frames for duals as much as I like matriarchal at 7 frames. Each has it's benefits in certain duels. The 7 frame speed is pretty sick though.
leo - nice ring.
Decebal
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@-XZON
Now you got it right!
I understand your statements and points! My knowlodge of multizon faith is though limited! I must admit that! But I dont agree with you when you say that Faith it aint a good choice for a Strafezon! I think Faith is very good! Sure there other possibilities like WWS and WF and even BOTD (Crusader and Hydra) but Faith i still a very good bow! Thats for PvM of course! When it comes to PvP well i have no clue there! If MB or GMB is better i leave that to others to decide! Though i understand that MB shoots a lot faster!
BTW - you dont happen to play on Europe Ladder? Would like to chat to you a little more if possible! One can always learn more!
/Dec
Now you got it right!
I understand your statements and points! My knowlodge of multizon faith is though limited!
I must admit that! But I dont agree with you when you say that Faith it aint a good choice for a Strafezon! I think Faith is very good! Sure there other possibilities like WWS and WF and even BOTD (Crusader and Hydra) but Faith i still a very good bow! Thats for PvM of course! When it comes to PvP well i have no clue there! If MB or GMB is better i leave that to others to decide! Though i understand that MB shoots a lot faster! BTW - you dont happen to play on Europe Ladder? Would like to chat to you a little more if possible! One can always learn more!
/Dec
I did not mean to say that faith was no good for strafe. It is very good. Just that WF is a little better. I have a hybrid that uses faith gmb and strafe as a switch weapon. Works very well. Faith is my favorite bow overall due to the versatility of it.Decebal said:@-XZON
Now you got it right!
I understand your statements and points! My knowlodge of multizon faith is though limited!
BTW - you dont happen to play on Europe Ladder? Would like to chat to you a little more if possible! One can always learn more!
/Dec
Oh yea. I am on East Ladder.