Bowazon low ias?

[LegendBJJ]

Bowazon low ias?

Hi,

I have made a bowazon but she seems to shoot very slowly?
Amdi lvl 90
120/45 Tiara (looking out for a helm 3 socks and 30% frw)
Fortitude
Faith GMB lvl 14 Fana
Crafted Gloves with 20 IAS, 2 Passive and Magic, Res, KB and mana
Wartravs
Noferatus
Raven Frost
Crafted ring with 160 AR, 83 Mana, 11 all res and some life.
Cats Eye

Upg Eth P Titans
SS with 40ED/15 -req Jewel

P Torch
19/12/10 Anni
30 3% frw scs (working to replace them with 3/20/20's)
6 20l 5 res scs

Why does it seem that im shooting very slowly?

 

[Kijya]

Re: Bowazon low ias?

Your IAS is fine so:

• Use the strafe skill (pvm)
• Might just be lag
• You may have expected faster then 7 frame normal? (around 3.5 attacks per second)

 

[XtremeTiramisu]

Re: Bowazon low ias?

45%IAS from ur helm + 10% belt + 20% glove + 20% from amulet = 95%IAS = Fastest 7 frame rate with ur lvl 14 fana. I don't see why u think it's very slow. I've very similar setup like u, except I use highlord + LOH + 120/45 Sup BV and of course Nosf for 95%IAS w/ lvl 15 fana to reach 7 frame. Thanks for Kijya's guide, ur awsome. But I should point out that u didn't put there is still another frame speed increase from 50%IAS w/ lvl14/15 Fana for Strife to 95%IAS. I noticed that and I was shocked. I thought I'd be happy to stay at frame 8 for regular attacks(50IAS) and I thought 50%IAS for strife is the max for strife w/ fana but it's wrong. When you reach frame 8, it's already a kill speed. But, once I reached frame 7, I can never look back, it's too irresistable to let go

 

[Kijya]

Re: Bowazon low ias?

Thanks for Kijya's guide, ur awsome. But I should point out that u didn't put there is still another frame speed increase from 50%IAS w/ lvl14/15 Fana for Strife to 95%IAS. I noticed that and I was shocked. I thought I'd be happy to stay at frame 8 for regular attacks(50IAS) and I thought 50%IAS for strife is the max for strife w/ fana but it's wrong. When you reach frame 8, it's already a kill speed. But, once I reached frame 7, I can never look back, it's too irresistable to let go

Huh?

Yes, 7 fpa with 95 ias is the max for normal attack when using a gmb lvl 13+ fana faith. But 50 ias is the max breakpoint for strafe, adding ias to reach the breakpoint for normal attack will not increase your strafe speed.

 

[XtremeTiramisu]

Re: Bowazon low ias?

Huh?

Yes, 7 fpa with 95 ias is the max for normal attack when using a gmb lvl 13+ fana faith. But 50 ias is the max breakpoint for strafe, adding ias to reach the breakpoint for normal attack will not increase your strafe speed.

Sorry for not proofreading my writing in the last msg so you didn't fully get what i meant. I mean I also noticed there is a significant speed increase from 50IAS to 95%IAS breakpoint for strife with lvl 15 fanaticism. I've study your charts for bow very carefully and I did noticed that 50IAS with lvl 14/15 fanaticism is suppose to be the max attack cycle for strife in the last row, however, I did noticed a whole new frame increase from 50ias to 95ias with lvl 15 fanatacism.

I wasn't expecting any FPS increase for strife from 50ias going to the next break point 95ias for +10 WSM GMB, and no surprise for another frame increase from frame 8 to 7 for normal attack such as multishot/guided arrow/magic arrow.

I did the testing simply by removing the equipped LOH or Highlord so the total IAS dropped from 95IAS to 75IAS. We all know 75IAS or even 91%IAS is only good as 50%IAS for frame 8 attack speed, and I cannot explain why there is another frame or cycle increase for strife at 95IAS.

I would be very happy to show you the attack speed difference for 50ias/95ias with lvl 15 fanaticsm strife on USWEST. By how much you noticed a speed diff from 50ias to 95ias for normal attacks, I can see there is also the same diff for strife as well.

 

[jakotaco]

Re: Bowazon low ias?

Huh?

Yes, 7 fpa with 95 ias is the max for normal attack when using a gmb lvl 13+ fana faith. But 50 ias is the max breakpoint for strafe, adding ias to reach the breakpoint for normal attack will not increase your strafe speed.

Not quite sure about that, isn't the first attack of Strafe at normal atack speed?
Not that the difference between 8/2/2/2/2... and 7/2/2/2/2... would make that much difference I guess.

 

[XtremeTiramisu]

Re: Bowazon low ias?

Not quite sure about that, isn't the first attack of Strafe at normal atack speed?
Not that the difference between 8/2/2/2/2... and 7/2/2/2/2... would make that much difference I guess.

I think you have got what I was trying to say. Indeed, it's the initial first shot for strife that is as fast as frame 7 normal attacks (95%IAS with lvl 14/15 Fanaticsm aura.) So after the first shot, the strafe split arrows auto aim/fires about or same speed (It's very fast, I can't really tell the difference) as 50IAS with lvl 14/15 fanaticsm. I think you got it right, it's the first shot that has been increased from frame 8 to 7. That's why when I was testing Strife attack speed with no enemies around, there is a distinctive difference between 50IAS with lvl14/15 Fanatacism(the supposed fastest breakpoint for Strafe with lvl14/15 Fanatacism) and 95IAS with lvl 14/15 fanatacism.

Kijya, maybe you should make a note on this

Thanks!

 

[Kijya]

Re: Bowazon low ias?

Time I sort out this in detail it seems. The source is on a competing forum so can't go into details.

There isn't any "7/2" strafe, it's a myth born from the though that the first arrow would be a normal attack. Tested by firing full stack of arrows and measuring time it took to empty it.

Strafes three phases:
Starting phase where the bow is drawn and then released to fire a single arrow, the shortest duration you can make this is 4 frames.
Second phase is where the game uses a rollback formula to fire several follow-up arrows, fastest speed being 2 frame's per arrow.
Ending phase is the time it takes for the animation to end. Fastest being 4 frames.

8/2 strafe isn't a 8 frames normal + 2 frame follow-ups, it's 4 frames for the first arrow, 2 frames for follow ups and 4 frames for the animation to end.





From here it's my speculation.

You may think it doesn't add up, but iirc the normal attack fire's it's arrow at frame 4 and takes 3 frames to end.

So take the normal attack apart and put a rollback formula inside it, for a programmer the though of needing another frame to end such a "loop" and jump back to the normal attack code isn't that obscure.



Edit: seems Liessa Wyrmbane linked to it in this post:
http://forums.diabloii.net/showpost.php?p=1875031&postcount=1

click the techie background link

Warning assembly code included :smiley: