Borg vs the Death Star

[droid]

Re: Borg vs the Death Star

A) The DS has exponentially more power output than a Borg cube. Its a small moon that travels through hyperspace. It can output enough energy to accelerate the mass of a planet to escape velocity. It moves across a galaxy in the span of a few weeks, which takes Star Trek ships several decades without wormhole (or artificial wormhole) help. One blast from the laser even at low power would turn the entire cube into quark-gluon plasma.

B) The DS can target maneuvering ships. The side lasers can "aim" the main blast. You saw it fire obliquely at cruisers in ROTJ, which you can assume are comparably maneuverable to a cube.

C) Borg can adapt their personal shields to protect from known frequencies of energy-based weapons. Thats why rotating-frequency phasers remain effective against Borg adaptation. Stormtrooper blasters, however, fire cohesive bolts of superheated Tibanna-gas plasma. Its not a frequency-based energy weapon that you could modulate a shield to guard against.

D) Vader would sense the presence of the Borg hive mind if they tried to begin mass-scale assimilation of the DS. He could find and dispatch any assimilated crewmen before they reached a "critical mass". His lightsaber would likewise be likely immune to Borg shielding, and even if it werent, you have to imagine he could use the Force alone to kill drones.

 

[HegemonKhan]

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this is a very simple question to me:

if the death star can destroy the borg cube in one shot, obviously it wins.

however, if the borg cube has the technology capable of making a shield that works against the death star's attack, if the death star can't hit the borg cube, or if the death star can't destroy the borg cube in one shot, THAN the borg cube wins.
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here's a slightly different question that i'll self add to this:

vader VS borg

being that vader has the force, he can't lose.

though if for some reason vader doesn't shield himself with his force, being that vader is all mechanical, the borg should be able to have a similiar ability to the force that works on vader. machine to machine. borg should be able to control vader's 90% or whatever machine body. simply deactivate vader's breathing mask for example.

 

[Ash Housewares]

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but the force isn't real

owait i think im doing it wrong

 

[HegemonKhan]

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well if u wanna go there....

none of this is real

no death star, no borg, no emperor, no "dark-evil" force, no vader (anakan), no luke, no hyperspace or warp drives, no mankind steller (star) civilization, no (light-good) force, no seven of nine....cries.....no padama cries, no leia.....cries.....no yoda.... etc... no light sabers cries......

 

[Galabab]

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I wonder why there is no ULTRA FAR FUTURE sci fi.
Like are blasters, warp drive and teleporters all we can think of about our future?
Its basicly about weapons and transportation. We still think in yesterdays kathegories. Fire arms and airplanes are the symbols of our time and foolish as we are we project those images into our perception of future.

 

[HegemonKhan]

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well, if u want to talk about the most extreme sci-fi reality.....

humans become gods. omniscence and omnipotence. we learn how to fully harness our brains and we literally make the universe-reality whatever we want and/or do whatever we want.

we become "floating" essences/entities/("god") of awareness/conciousness that know everything and can do everything/anything. we become godly.

we can mentally with our brains-minds make the universe/reality whatever we want it to be.

this is pretty boring as u can see
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death stars and borg is much more interesting, even if it's concepts are the same as what we have now but jsut with greater technology advances.

i'd much rather conventionally travel and fight in a simply sci-fi grav ship than be able to mentally with a single thought be where ever i wanna be or kill who ever i wanna kill. that's boring. the conventional ship-jet (but with futuristic advances like being a grav ship) warfare and travel is much more exciting.

*grav ship: the concept of a vehicle that is able to shield off the effects of acceleration on its human "drivers" or "passengers".

*explanation of acceleration and its effects on human (or any life form):

let's say you are in a car and you are going 100 mph. and NO impact occurs, BUT suddenly your car is at a complete stop (0 mph). do u think u gonna be alive or dead? the answer: dead. the force of acceleration and drastic quick changes in acceleration is jsut as deadly as if that car smashed into a wall going 100 mph. another example is if u run as fast as u can and try to immediately come to a complete stop or cut at a right angle (90 degrees). luckily this is impossible to do, because if u could do it, it would tear apart your legs-knees-hips.

*so, back to the grav ship. a grav ship would be be the most BORING car ever. u would feel no rush or force as u accelerate, de-celerate, or change directions. imagine not feeling any of the forces that u feel when u drive. that's the concept of what is called a grav ship.

*usually a grav ship is thought of in terms of a "fighter jet" in the air or outer space. though for trying to explain it, i used a car. any type of vehicle can be a "grav ship", be it a car ("land"), a boat ("sea"), a jet ("air"), or space/star-ship/craft (outer space).
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its amusing that the most extreme sci-fi reality is religion; godhood or god-ness.

the very end or final destination of science is religion; godhood or god-ness. omniscent (all-knowing) and omnipotence (all-powerful)

how amusing or ironic is that
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also, jsut as amusing is our depiction of "aliens" or "God or gods".

every single alien depiction u see is NOT an alien. it's an insect. a human. a hybrid of insect and human. etc.. etc... the human mind simply can't conceive of something beyond what it already knows. a true alien is completely unknown to us. we have no idea what a true alien would even "look" like, if it even had a form to look at in the first place. do u see just how stuck we are with thinking about unknown things as known things ? hopefully u do from reading this.

the same is true with "God" or "gods". no offense to religion, but why would "God" or "gods" be human (have a human form). i know christians will say that actually our form isn't actually our form. God already had his human form. than he made us in his image. so actually the "human" form is actually the form of god.

this is a possible excuss or is valid.

but if u stop and think, "God" or "gods" would-should have nothing in common or similiarity with mere mortal humans or animals. i mean they are gods or "he" is "God". why would "gods" or "God" even need or have use for a mortal need of a form or body in the first place?

this is *NOT* an attack on religion. let me try to explain:

it's the limit of our own human's lack of ability to understand what we can't understand. we apply the human concept and importance of a "form" or "body" to "gods" or "God" when we shouldn't. but we can't understand the "world" of "gods" or "God", we can only understand the "world" of humans, of mortals. we wrongly apply this "world" of humans to the "world" of "gods" or "God".

 

[Galabab]

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I agree with your view on things here.
Aside of ultra sci fi being condemned to be boring.
I think its just an other level of imagination. Our problems now may be fighting and transportation but we can shift our focus to, say one demi-god reaching the boarders of a mind. Not just human mind, but mind, that is intelligent observer, a consious being.
The mind dissolving into non-existence.
The author could take his time to build a complex world based on totally different ideas. our moral society is basicly unchanged since 2000 years. And its still the same in Star Treck. Sure we have other kinds of weapons and horses but in general its all the same.
There are the mighty, the weak, there is the family, the fear, love, hate and so on.
Im talking about real substantial changes in society, it doesnt have to be omnipotency.
A major twist in values, desires, goals and the very perception of the world.

 

[HegemonKhan]

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personally, i'd love to go back to ancient times. where violence was glorified and celebrated. where males could be males. each male made his own "law". if some one bothers u, u kill them or he kills u. no 3rd party inference like police today. total freedom. (there were "police" or soldier "police" but they didn't care if peasant killed peasant. they only cared if a noble or aristocrat or royalty gets killed).

i'm just an ancient history lover. i yearn for the past. for the ancient past. where u could walk around with a sword or axe and anyone who wanted to make something of himself had to spend his life training in combat use of a sword or axe or whatever weapon. there's jsut something so appealing about our ancient history to me

the modern world is too boring for me, even modern warfare is boring to me, guns....pffft...bend your finger....pfftt...that takes some combat skill... bend finger... guns....so boring...so embarrassing. so much more meaningful when u have to use a sword or axe. anyone can bend their finger, anyone can use a gun. most people today probably can't even pick up the bigger-heavier swords or axes of ancient times. let alone have the skill to use them and to maneuver (dodge) themselves. so much more skill is needed for a sword fight than a gun fight.
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i am thankful for movies, tv shows, books, computer/console/video games...because they let me escape from the modern boring world and go back to ancient times and be a barbarian weilding a huge axe or a paladin weilding a huge sword...like in diablo 2 or whatever game

 

[AeroJonesy]

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Generally people that are all about medieval weapons today are the exact sort of folk that would have been hewn apart in medieval combat. And do you really think life would be all that great with the political instability of those days? Go move to Gaza and tell me how fun it is...

 

[HegemonKhan]

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but, i disillusion myself of being a legendary ancient warrior who can conquer the world and win any combat fight

i play too many video-computer games and read-watch too much fiction

all i have to do is change my name to guts (if u don't understand this reference, watch an old school anime series called berserk).

in reality, i am really clumsy and awkward. i can hardly do any SKILLED things. and most certainly probably never be able to use a sword or axe professionally, let alone legendarily

i'm an american......and i'm not stupid....moving to any where near the middle east... is a death warrant for me... they don't exactly like americans...over there...not too fond of us and wouldn't treat me so friendily...

though after they decapitate me, the water boarding that my country (bush gov - CIA) done to them doesn't seem very torturous anymore......but hey, at least i'll meet up with daniel pearl in "afterlife", and i may not be a journalist or whatever he was, but i am missing my head jsut like he is
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as i said, i love ancient history, if anyone else does or if u got any questions, feel free to ask me and i'll try to answer

i especially like the two most powerful forces of humanity ever seen in all of human history from our beginning to present day. they are the mongols and vikings. see my name....HegemonKhan (khan is from the mongols and hegemon is the greek's translation word for-of an asian word)

 

[Ash Housewares]

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personally, i'd love to go back to ancient times. where violence was glorified and celebrated. where males could be males. each male made his own "law". if some one bothers u, u kill them or he kills u. no 3rd party inference like police today. total freedom. (there were "police" or soldier "police" but they didn't care if peasant killed peasant. they only cared if a noble or aristocrat or royalty gets killed).

i'm just an ancient history lover. i yearn for the past. for the ancient past. where u could walk around with a sword or axe and anyone who wanted to make something of himself had to spend his life training in combat use of a sword or axe or whatever weapon. there's jsut something so appealing about our ancient history to me

the modern world is too boring for me, even modern warfare is boring to me, guns....pffft...bend your finger....pfftt...that takes some combat skill... bend finger... guns....so boring...so embarrassing. so much more meaningful when u have to use a sword or axe. anyone can bend their finger, anyone can use a gun. most people today probably can't even pick up the bigger-heavier swords or axes of ancient times. let alone have the skill to use them and to maneuver (dodge) themselves. so much more skill is needed for a sword fight than a gun fight.
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i am thankful for movies, tv shows, books, computer/console/video games...because they let me escape from the modern boring world and go back to ancient times and be a barbarian weilding a huge axe or a paladin weilding a huge sword...like in diablo 2 or whatever game

your posts are so revealing, but no matter where you go in history its money that you use to kill people not swords

 

[Galabab]

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HegemonKhan i though hegemon comes from hegemony that is holding power all alone. Like the soviets had eurasia hegemony after WW2.

But you really believe too much in that fiction.
Reality in those ancient times for 99% of people was to live from harvest to harvest, starving and dieng each year there was too little rain. A toothache could drive you to madness, you had to **** in a hole, 2/3 of children died before age of 5. Infections, illness, hunger, hard work, slavery and the local lord who could take away your dauther any time to rape her and throw her to his dogs.

Even the best warriors and lords lived in constant fear of being poisoned.
Do you understand the pain of a sword stuck in your guts? And no pain killers, no heal, the only thing the local "doctror" can do is pray to a bunch of gods and maybe make you bleed becouse he thinks blood is bad for an injured person
Ah yeah he maybe would stick a dirty bone in your wound cuz it belonged to a strong bear or somethin.

 

[HegemonKhan]

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yes i know this all too well....such a wonderful time

i know history....pretty well... life back than was unimaginable....forget everything u mentioned....let's just think about the "sanitation" issues....

like how u go to bathroom....pass the pot around..... and being a servant or slave ment u had to clean out that bathroom "pot" or if you really poor and u need the money u go around house to house and clean out their "pots"...

there's a good reason the bathroom-sanitation issues is never shown in movies or other types of fictional work of ancient times...

the good ole days

the only way out of a peasant slavery lifestyle was that of the "sword". through the "sword" anyone could rise up to greatness. otherwise your stuck in the caste system. a peasant is always a peasant. etc...

 

[Dirty_Zulu]

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the only way out of a peasant slavery lifestyle was that of the "sword". through the "sword" anyone could rise up to greatness. otherwise your stuck in the caste system. a peasant is always a peasant. etc...

You've been watching too many Robin Hood and Bravehearts. Those kind of people prematurely die of a slow and horrible death.

 

[HegemonKhan]

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"live by the sword, die by the sword", ehh ?

a warrior couldn't ask for a better way to die, than to die in battle, to die in glory, to die in greatness

though i'd much rather receive a quick fatal chop from a sword or axe, than to be torn apart like braveheart was by horses or a rack (can't remember what-how the contraption worked. if it used horses to pull the ropes or a gear-wheel turned by people to pull the ropes)

 

[Dondrei]

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They aren't. laser technology was shown to be inneffective vs. even the Enterprise, so a Borg cube wouldn't even flinch from fire from a TIE or Star Destroyer.

Even if turbolasers really are just lasers, there are still ion cannons and proton torpedoes.

TIEs are unshielded and the borg have pin-point accuracy with their disruptors. If you've seen any large-scale battles with the Borg, you know they can decimate swarms of lesser opponents in the blink of an eye.

Trek has no fighters, all their ships are way outmaneouvred and even the enormous ones only seem to have a couple of weapons, end of story.

Ugh, I got sucked in again.

personally, i'd love to go back to ancient times. where violence was glorified and celebrated. where males could be males. each male made his own "law". if some one bothers u, u kill them or he kills u. no 3rd party inference like police today. total freedom. (there were "police" or soldier "police" but they didn't care if peasant killed peasant. they only cared if a noble or aristocrat or royalty gets killed).

I think you're thinking of the Old West there. As depicted in movies.

 

[Ash Housewares]

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I think you're thinking of the Old West there. As depicted in movies.

I seriously believe this guy was created in a lab to torture me with horrible movie taste and historical misinformation

stillman too

 

[Dondrei]

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There's always swarms of those on this forum. I used to be one.

Still am a little bit. Boo Omega Man!