bone nec vs crazy barb

[vcgg]

bone nec vs crazy barb

hi im new here! ne ways heres my question

i have a godly bone nec and my friend has a godly barb, but we havn't dueled yet. any advice? his strategy is to leap, tele, triangle whirl.
i don't see how i can avoid this except teleing away with my 125 fcr and hoping for a lucky spear or ibs. heres my gear

crazy 20 fcr 20 fhr circlet (necro of course)
ammy with 1 to nec skills but the maximum to dex, and 10 fcr and resists
2 fcr rings wit res
nigma
hoto
homuculus (tell me what 2 socket, shael?)
silkweaves? (what boots would be good?)
trangs gloves (ne suggestions)
inventory is all pnb gcs torch anni and life/resist/fhr scs


now my friends barb is very wierd, but ive seen him pk with godly chars and he seems to win 80 % of the time.

helm is a 2 ber perf coa
nigma
some crazy ammy
X2 raven spirals
grief z on 1 hand
bodt z on other hand
insane rare gloves
*whisper* imps (uhh can we say these here?)
his inventory is life charms, res charms , dmg ar, all scs
on switch he has widow maker and his gloves give cb or sutmin like that and he gets ow from some where 2.

soo am i royally screwed or ne strats 2 help me xD

 

[Omikron8]

so your barb friend is loaded with non-ladder dupes

take off homun, use torch + enigma to equip shael stormshield

silkweaves suck for pvp, try to get imps as well (i assume you guys are on non ladder) or some other good rare boots, or aldur/waterwalks

 

[Uncle_Mike]

I am afraid that this crazy barb might prove too insane for you, good luck though, you have some crazy gear yourself :laugh:

Mike

edit: on a serious note though - do what mainaman has suggested :thumbsup:

 

[mainaman]

I use BvC and from my experience there are 2 things that will help you do well against your friend:
you have 125 fcr which is pretty much one of your main weapons aginst your friend so play defencively -try stay off his screen . If he has high leap he will stun you offscreen too but then make sure you have good fhr.
second main thing to do is try get him in areas with ibs floating arround...
more xperienced necro players should help more though

 

[OBDjinn]

Tele tele, spirit spirit, bone bone, tele tele times 2000 --> win :azn:

just keep on the move and recast the bone shield, if you fight legit he might run out of mana faster than you and then its easy pickins..

Yeah, and also you can try to decrep his ***.

/D.

 

[Romper Stomper]

Unlikely that a barb will run out of mana faster than a nec relying on BS spam.

 

[Gotcha]

Mike is right about the mana, even with 1001 - 1300 etc. BS takes a lot of mana. Remember though that SS and 43% PDR will help a lot and if your friend is not good with triangle WW you stand a very good chance.

Make sure you have 86% FHR (A must).
Your BS/Spear will do good damage even with the barbs 6k life. 8-12 BS hits will kill your friend. Try to make the barb chase you and run into your IBS but do not spam non stop or you will have no mana left. If the barb is not great with triangle WW IMO the odds are in your favor since with SS/max block and 800-900ish BA the first ww will probably miss which gives you a chance to tele away and even if it hits if the OW does not kick in you can tele away, recast BA and back to the spear/spirit.

Really good necs pose real huge problems for almost all BVC. Mike may be an exception as a few others might. IMO never use a homo anymore if dueling a ww barb. Use a SS. There is a huge difference on what is absorbed by SS over homo. A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

 

[theredpredator]

I never lost to a bvc barb with my necro. Start2 screens away from him. Cast about 6-8 spirits, aim that so that they pass the barb on about 1/2th screen. Then tele along the spirits. Make sure you tele fast enough and on the right time. Somehow i always know when a bvc will tele. if he tele to you, hell get pounded hard. Keep repeating. Most of all spam a lot of spirits. Once he slows down a little coz hes trying to tele ww you(and misses) hell see a huge amount of spirits coming hisway.

Boners win.

 

[Jerion]

Use namelock spirit, it works wonders.

 

[atenza]

SS helps a bunch.

But for strategy, use BS when he's offscreen and bonespear when he's on screen. This will help with stunning him and preventing a zerk. If you find you do massive damage to him, then you can just sit in a field of ur own bonewalls and spam at him. When he teles in use bonespear to prevent him from teleporting away and the BS that have trailed him thus far will hit him. (It should take about 2 ww or more if his damage is weak to destroy ur walls and your armor) At this point you can tele out having almost full hp or taking one hit while he just took a train of BS and 2-3 bonespears.

IMO gear setup for Necro vs. Barb is something like:
Necro Circlet Ber'd
White wand
Enigma
Arachs'
2x FCR ring
Necor 20fcr ammy
Trang's
Storm
Treks

best curse is ironmaiden if you go w/ the walling idea or decreptify if not.

 

[Romper Stomper]

I never lost to a bvc barb with my necro. Start2 screens away from him. Cast about 6-8 spirits, aim that so that they pass the barb on about 1/2th screen. Then tele along the spirits. Make sure you tele fast enough and on the right time. Somehow i always know when a bvc will tele. if he tele to you, hell get pounded hard. Keep repeating. Most of all spam a lot of spirits. Once he slows down a little coz hes trying to tele ww you(and misses) hell see a huge amount of spirits coming hisway.

Boners win.

USWest acct name pls?

 

[Jerion]

More tips:
Never use teeth.
Only use spear when the barb ****s up and makes a long ww, or to stun him when he's not wwing so that spirits hit.
Prison him randomly when there are spirits following him.
Always keep golem up.

 

[Rabbitz]

hi im new here! ne ways heres my question

i have a godly bone nec and my friend has a godly barb, but we havn't dueled yet. any advice? his strategy is to leap, tele, triangle whirl.
i don't see how i can avoid this except teleing away with my 125 fcr and hoping for a lucky spear or ibs. heres my gear

crazy 20 fcr 20 fhr circlet (necro of course)
ammy with 1 to nec skills but the maximum to dex, and 10 fcr and resists
2 fcr rings wit res
nigma
hoto
homuculus (tell me what 2 socket, shael?)
silkweaves? (what boots would be good?)
trangs gloves (ne suggestions)
inventory is all pnb gcs torch anni and life/resist/fhr scs


now my friends barb is very wierd, but ive seen him pk with godly chars and he seems to win 80 % of the time.

helm is a 2 ber perf coa
nigma
some crazy ammy
X2 raven spirals
grief z on 1 hand
bodt z on other hand
insane rare gloves
*whisper* imps (uhh can we say these here?)
his inventory is life charms, res charms , dmg ar, all scs
on switch he has widow maker and his gloves give cb or sutmin like that and he gets ow from some where 2.

soo am i royally screwed or ne strats 2 help me xD

Boots > sandstormtreks for the fhr, or if you have some other amulet 2nec/20fcr/str/ and life or mana get waterwalks with 60+life, they should give you the dex u'll miss from the ammy and a nice fireres boost.
Gloves > magefist, between the 20fcr and 25% mana regen...yea

second, Hoto/Homun ( i never use homun, either hoto/spirit against caster or White " w/ +3spear/spirit base wand" + SS

 

[theredpredator]

SS helps a bunch.

But for strategy, use BS when he's offscreen and bonespear when he's on screen. This will help with stunning him and preventing a zerk. If you find you do massive damage to him, then you can just sit in a field of ur own bonewalls and spam at him. When he teles in use bonespear to prevent him from teleporting away and the BS that have trailed him thus far will hit him. (It should take about 2 ww or more if his damage is weak to destroy ur walls and your armor) At this point you can tele out having almost full hp or taking one hit while he just took a train of BS and 2-3 bonespears.

IMO gear setup for Necro vs. Barb is something like:
Necro Circlet Ber'd
White wand
Enigma
Arachs'
2x FCR ring
Necor 20fcr ammy
Trang's
Storm
Treks

best curse is ironmaiden if you go w/ the walling idea or decreptify if not.

No last fcr breakpoint? you got 120 and the last is 125. Either use a hoto or a spirit. If your going for stormshield use a hoto or ur a slow teleporter

 

[morotsjos]

I never lost to a bvc barb with my necro. Start2 screens away from him. Cast about 6-8 spirits, aim that so that they pass the barb on about 1/2th screen. Then tele along the spirits. Make sure you tele fast enough and on the right time. Somehow i always know when a bvc will tele. if he tele to you, hell get pounded hard. Keep repeating. Most of all spam a lot of spirits. Once he slows down a little coz hes trying to tele ww you(and misses) hell see a huge amount of spirits coming hisway.

Boners win.

fight please. pm account on NL.

 

[Ce Olba]

fight please. pm account on NL.

You sure love fighting people, don't you?

The best anti-barb strategy I've seen in use is spam mass bone walls, decrepify and clay golem. Results in:
a) immunity to wws (golem or walls absorb all hits)
b) zerk rendered useless due to slow
c) damn slow running speed-> harder time running away from a spirits trail.

yeah and add an ironmaiden to the list will top everything off all thought the lifetap wand could come out

You cannot have 2 curses on at the same time. Also, Iron Maiden is not so useful as Decrepify, as good barbs will _not_ ww walls, but zerk the necro, thus IM is totally useless, whereas Decrepify also negates the zerk.

 

[SicHalo]

yeah and add an ironmaiden to the list will top everything off all thought the lifetap wand could come out

 

[vcgg]

wait so ur sayin i should use ss instead of homuculs? cuz ss only has 5% faster block rate and it takes alot of str. ok ill go with an ss. socket a shael in it? or an um? cuz i gotta spare um. or should i socket a ber for more dr?

what should i use for more fhr? i have 20 from my helm, 20 from boots and i need 86%. ne suggestions, cuz i wanna keep the 125% fcr. how much fhr can come on a sc max? thnx

 

[Jackson]

I don't see why you'd go with an UM for stormshield when you're facing a Barb. BER is fine if you need mroe DR.

5% is the max on one SC. Get FHR on your Skillers maybe?

 

[Ce Olba]

wait so ur sayin i should use ss instead of homuculs? cuz ss only has 5% faster block rate and it takes alot of str. ok ill go with an ss. socket a shael in it? or an um? cuz i gotta spare um. or should i socket a ber for more dr?

what should i use for more fhr? i have 20 from my helm, 20 from boots and i need 86%. ne suggestions, cuz i wanna keep the 125% fcr. how much fhr can come on a sc max? thnx

a necro helm that has 20 fcr 2 nec skills and 2 sockets, socketed with dual shaels, Treks, that's total 60 there. Now just add 3x 12% fhr sks. As for the socket in your ss, you already have 43% dr, but I think it might be a good idea to either Hel or Ber the SS. By the way, how the heck you have trouble with SS? 156-68-40-5=43. So 43 base str, not that much, IMO. With a Ber'ed SS that's 20 base str needed.

The reason behind using Stormshield is the huge +PDR% it has, it also has pretty godly block.

As for gc's vs skillers on FHR:
GCs can have 12% fhr or 45 life
SCs can have 5% fhr or 20 life
You will need 86-60=26, so either 3 gcs (135 life lost) or 6 scs (120 life lost). So using scs is superior. However, at as low as 40 life, they are equal. So if you have less than 40 life on your skillers, use gcs, if you have over 40 life, use scs, if you exactly 40 life, use whichever you think suits you better.