Blizzard's Mess

Gambitsreturn

Diabloii.Net Member
A new patch? Blizzard will handle the new patches on their own accord. Judging by the fact that they have already solicitated ideas for a new patch on their battle.net forums indicates that there could be one in process. Nothing you do will speed that up, and will only serve to waste their time.
I respect you opinion Orphan, however, you continue to accuse Parsnips of making too bold of statements that she supposedly is not qualified to make. Do you feel that you are qualified to make the above statement? Also, not everybody feels that she sounds like a "politician" or that her responses are "judgemental". After reading your posts you actually come across a little judgemantal yourself. Again, you make some very valid points.
 
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Orphan

Diabloii.Net Member
I respect you opinion Orphan, however, you continue to accuse Parsnips of making too bold of statements that she supposedly is not qualified to make. Do you feel that you are qualified to make the above statement?
Hey Gambit,

Nope, I don't know the exact process required for a ladder reset, or to even how Blizzard detect hackers/botters on battle.net. But then again, I do not claim to be.

But here's some things to think about. We're talking about 4 realms here, whos server clusters lie in 4 different locations around the world (east and west coast of the US, Sweden, Korean). Each server cluster contains x amount of servers (not sure exactly, probably around 30 servers each, possibly more.) Taking into account the fact that there's no limit to the amount of accounts any single user can have (and the fact that alot of people have mentioned that they have 10+ mule accounts) we're looking at alot of characters that would need to be converted to non-ladder. Taking into account the fact that with the last reset some people were able to sneak non-ladder chars back onto ladder for a short time.

Finally, you need to take into account the fact that there must be a database that keeps track of all the char names on a single realm. Why? Because a) whenever you create a new char it needs to check it against something, and it's not checking each .d2s file. Why? because b) I have two accounts with the same charname on each (both chars have expired).

Now, while I do not know for certain what the actual reset process entails, I do however work with large database structures on a daily basis for my work, and I can tell you that this type of thing would most definately take time. We don't even know what else Blizzard does in conjunction with the above things I've listed. We do know that they run a Ruststorm though. Now, let's not begin to get into what that would entail (checking every d2s file for duplicated footprints? How many chars are we looking at again? How many item per char? How many footprints does this equal?)

Parsnips, on the other hand, has already made statements on the simplicity of these tasks. I'm only asking for her to elaborate. This is not unlike something I would do to someone on the stats forum if they posted about a topic that was not common knowledge.

I do believe that if it was as simple as Parsnips seems to indicate it to be then Blizzard would have done them already. Blizzard's a smart company, who has consistantly remained one of the top game developers in todays world. It's unlikely that if the tasks were as easy as indicated, they would continually put them off for years on end.

Also, not everybody feels that she sounds like a "politician" or that her responses are "judgemental". After reading your posts you actually come across a little judgemantal yourself. Again, you make some very valid points.
I apologize if I'm come across judgemental. The reason I said that she sounds like a politition is because her responses sound epic and do not actually say anything. Take this one statement:

Parsnips said:
Unko Talok I am very sorry to hear this, I hope that my future actions can help to persuade you back to the love for this game the way it should be.
It's a common political tactic, you begin by making an apology, and then end with re-inforcing your agenda. I don't know, maybe it's just me, and maybe I hear too much politics, but alot of what's been said sounds too familiar.


Edit: The server count per realm would actually be about 80, not 30. Anyone who wants proof of this can simply search for a dclone server list which keeps track of the last walks for each server IP address.


Edit2: And what about the desired dupe detection? To be 100% effective you would need to check every footprint against every other footprint regardless of game location. Although my knowledge of duping is limited, I can say that alot of the older ones were executed without the char being in the same game. So how many games must the automatic dupe detector go through to check for duplicate fingerprints? How will this affect the speed of the games? How about inactive chars who are just sitting on mule accounts? It'll need to check those as well. Active ruststorm takes a long time to run as it is, and for good reason.

Edit3: For some reason, I got footprint on my mind. That should be fingerprint, bah.



 

Parsnips

Diabloii.Net Member
This will be short and sweet and the last post on this matter. As stated before, I am not a professional technician working at blizzard therefore I do not know every intricate process of resetting the ladder. May the words "easy ladder reset" henceforth be stricken from the record.

As for my "agenda" I think it is obvious that there is one at hand. The change of the game. I don't follow politics so yes maybe you do follow to much of it. There is no vote for this or outcome or power that will be consume me after this is all said and done. All I have is my word and what I'm trying to do is make the game as it was intended to be, for others. Everything else is opinion. I fail to see the evil plot or scheme I am devising, just working round the clock voluntarily for the people that have been legibly involved in this game for years. Maybe this does not benefit you for other reasons you fail to mention? Regardless, as I stated before this is the last reply and post on this matter. I have spent enough time at this standstill. I urge other DD supporters to do the same.

As it is your opinion and this topic is straying far off the original idea, I will be making no more replies to this matter. Tomorrow morning I will be pressing on and I hope you do the same in your own affairs.

Sweet Dreams
 

Orphan

Diabloii.Net Member
Like I said before. You're intent is admirable, but it's your method I do not like. I'm not the only person to comment on how you've handled this so far. Even people on the AB forums have mentioned something about it.

I just think you need to step back for a second and realistically think about what it is your asking, how you think it's going to be accomplished, and more importantly how your asking for it.
 

Barrynor

Banned
Some people still care about DII Gorny. As long as they do not break the ten commandments of the forum, they are relatively harmless. What ticked you off?



That being said, you give a lot of warnings my friend. I recall Zappafan, when he was still more actively modding this forum, usually had a "I said NO-BAN" policy. That was amusing sometimes... the number of people he kicked off the HC forum... ban first, don't bother to ask questions later.

*giggles*


Parsnips,

Unless you wish to be permanently banned from the forums, we had better have a private talk and sort this out.

You posted this same thread in Community, and the thread was closed.

You just posted this again in another thread hoping I would not notice, or maybe your posting in an attmpt to troll further and stir the pot?

I have deleted your post in Community and given you an infraction for Incitement.

Post it again in Community or any other forum without talking to me via PM first will result in a permanent ban from the forums.


 

Relativity

Diabloii.Net Member
I'm sorry Trish, I can't resist!

Finally, you need to take into account the fact that there must be a database that keeps track of all the char names on a single realm.
For all we know there could be a little flag (0 or 1) by every character in their database, 0 representing a non-ladder character, and 1 representing a ladder character, and all they have to do to reset the ladder is to set every 1 to a 0 with an automated script or program.

But then again, for all we know Diablo II was made by mutant monkeys in Blizzard's deep underground evil lair.



 

Orphan

Diabloii.Net Member
For all we know there could be a little flag (0 or 1) by every character in their database, 0 representing a non-ladder character, and 1 representing a ladder character, and all they have to do to reset the ladder is to set every 1 to a 0 with an automated script or program.

Hey Relativity, thought I lost you for a second there back at post 60, but it's good to see you're back.

You are indeed correct. The ladder flag could be stored next to the char names in each realms database. Of course, that would raise the question of expired chars, and whether they are deleted from the database to allow new chars to be made with those names, yet they retain their ladder information. Likewise, ladder rankings requiring information on the chars experience points, which would be harnessed from the d2s file.

Likewise, this doesn't address the issue of how non-ladder chars could get back on the new ladder, or even any procedures that Blizzard need to implement to prevent such an occurance. If it was a simple flag, wouldn't battle.net simply reference that flag to see if the non-ladder chars could join ladder games? It sounds like there's more processing than a simple flag. Still, this also doesn't address the volume of data that needs to be processed. Depending on the database structure, I can also tell you that a program can process an 800,000 line text file faster than a table with 800,000 records.

Equally as important, if it was a simple flag Blizzard would have reset the ladder a year ago? I mean, the main argument against the "it's so simple" viewpoint is "well, why hasn't Blizzard done it yet?"

I don't think we know enough about all the required procedures though. There's probably alot more to the situation.

Edit: Btw, I don't suppose you found those answers to the questions I posted back in post 39? Because I didn't.



 

Barrynor

Banned
No, you are not. You are Gorny. And I am not your enemy.


Do you realize that you insult a great many people the way you speak about the hardcore forum? This is perhaps one of the last larger HC communities on the internet where hack-free and nice, co-operative players can gather, and on a whole the posters are a friendly and helpfull lot. I would love to see a more active moderation of this place, as we all would, so if you would, please, do as you say, and come and moderate. I am not challenging our authority Gorny, but I do think that making war-like statements about a part of an internetforum (and I have seen you make those statements before) is not the right way to respond. If you want to use brute force, use it. No warning, just use it. Again, not meant to tick you off or insult, so please do not take it that way. This is just a friendly piece of advice from someone who has also moderated his own share of forums. It is better to be friendly but firm than to be offensive and firm. Gives you less stress as well. Then again, that's just my opinion. I won't debate with you about this subject any further.

Kindest regards,

Barry
 
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Parsnips

Diabloii.Net Member
Hey Everyone!!!

I just wanted to make a quick post with a longer one following later today listing all the changes people would like listed in the email/ suggestion forum to blizzard as of yet.

The amazon Basin has had a good amount of positive feedback and has rallied some more supporters to our cause. Also, I have gotten some emails with support at my DD address. After about three days we approx. about 30 people, so that's not bad!! averaging 10 people a day is pretty decent! So that is going well.

I wish to thank everyone for the continuing support, if their are any suggestions or information you wish to give me about legit clans or channels on diablo please let me know!!

See you later!!
 

Matt

Diabloii.Net Site Pal
I think I count as an old timer, having been around longer than the majority of posters here these days. I'm in the same boat as Barry, I havent played in ages, and have absolutely no desire to, so you wont find me on the realms at any point, and the issue at hand doesnt affect me at all. However, when I played, this kind of crap on the realms ticked me off too, as it seems to be doing to a lot of you still. So, count my signature on the petition!

Oh, and my PMs dont work, never have on this forum for some reason. Let me know if you need my email address for any reason.

-Matt
 

bradismyname

Diabloii.Net Member
I hate hackers, dupers, people that use mods, people that bug items, or anything else that ruins this game. I have something like this pasted in my info on D2 and have for a while. I love when I get the chance to kill a tp pker or a duper in a pub game. I completely support your cause and I will add "free diablo" do my info. If there is anything else I can do please let me know.

edit: every time someone tells us in a baal run "omg by perf griff just poofed" my response is always the same: "good... I hope the rest of your dupes poof soon"
 

Parsnips

Diabloii.Net Member
Hello Everyone!!!

I will post a list of the things people have been requesting that blizzard change, update or correct. There is a large range, and in no particular order....

TPPK
Ladder Reset
New Patch w/ SP attention
Making runes easier to find as to less duping
New runewords
Chicken
Auto aim
Triggers
Mods as to modify every break point in the game
UberD and Torch in SP play
More bannings in hacks in general
Frequent ruststorm checks

If their has been anything I have neglected or forgot to write down please let me know. Also, please let me know of anything else to add to the list. I have started to formulate my written words to blizzard and I was wondering if people would like me to post my letter before the 23rd. I know this is your own words but if anyone wants to look over mine this can be done.

Hope to hear from you soon!! :wink:
 

Josiphos

Diabloii.Net Member
This has been talked to death in countless other threads.

Nothing will happen. Money talks and bull**** walks.

D2 makes them no money. End of story. 50,000 signatures will mean nothing to Blizzard.

Just play the game and have the most fun you can. If you can't have fun doing it, maybe you should dump it for a new game.

Having said all that, I wish you luck in your fruitless endeavor.
 

Barrynor

Banned
I doubt Parsnips can gather 50.000 signatures, but if, Blizzard would have to take notice. You see, 50.000 signatures is enough to garner some publicity, and publicity is nice when its good, but less nice when its bad, and a demand from 50.000 gamers to have something altered in a game would be... well, I'd expect at least a hearing on terms like that.

At any rate, my signature you have, just tell me where to sign.


edit: Hiya Matt! I send you a PM, but you never PM-ed me back. Does this mean our affair is over?

;)
 

waflob

Diabloii.Net Member
I will post a list of the things people have been requesting that blizzard change, update or correct. There is a large range, and in no particular order....

TPPK
Ladder Reset
New Patch w/ SP attention
Making runes easier to find as to less duping
New runewords
Chicken
Auto aim
Triggers
Mods as to modify every break point in the game
UberD and Torch in SP play
More bannings in hacks in general
Frequent ruststorm checks
As I read this list, it occurs to me that there are 2 main groups of items, namely the negative ones related to hacks and cheats and the positive ones, related to enhancing gameplay. Personally, I would be inclined to leave out the 'nice to have' changes and concentrate on the problematic ones.

That would then bring the list down to something like this :-

TPPK
Chicken
Auto aim
Triggers (not really sure what these are ...)
More bannings in hacks in general

which I (again personally) feel is more managable. A smaller list is more likely to be read than a large one.

Also, I would be inclined to add annoying spam bots to the list. Have you ever entered chat and tried to actually trade something in public channels? Forget it, you can't read the text quickly enough before a dozen spam bots flood the screen.

For me, spam bots indicate the level of commitment that we can expect from Blizzard. Any one of their employees can enter chat and within a few minutes, come up with a large list of offenders and just ban their accounts. They (obviously) don't do this, which I feel is very telling.

Sorry to end on a negative note - wasn't my intention :)

DelBoy



 

MrKaxe

Diabloii.Net Site Pal
Yes...i agree whole-fartedly aaaHAHAHAHAHAH!! (Terrance & Philip laugh)

But seriously, waflob has got a point, especially with the channelspam thing...as soon as i log into the default channels i get whispered about trade sites, which i should squelch, but i don't see why i should have to...the Blizzard employee thing sounded like a good solution!

Let's tell em what they need to fix then maybe when they have put right what's wrong they might feel generous enough to give us what we want gameplay-wise!
 
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