Blizzard's Mess

[Barrynor]

say, you could always google the amazon basin on say, google, and join them... that way you won't have all the hassle. Incidentially, they should still have a somewhat active player group.

Funny that, I am a staunch promoter of the AB, but they will never let me in because I was a player killer and don't consider anything wrong with it. You humies are silly

 

[The Cow King]

*nukes the pessimists*

You have the support of The Cow Republic! You point, we punch. You have to be careful Parsnips not to get banned though, as dii is the central place for diablo 2 activity.

Perhaps a list of things we wish demanded would be good idea? My list the way I will post it in my personal message.

- Ladder Reset / full clean database sweep ruststorm (should do good since dupes are supposed to be fixed.)
- New Patch
- SP attention in the new patch, UberD and Torch into SP play, ladder runewords.
- Fix hacks

Note that I'm not a HC player and I play SP nowadays with ladder being what it is. It's still the same game so we're in the same boat. Perhaps it would be a good idea to try contact some D2 clan leaders as they are sure to have authority over their clan members, even getting one clan to sign up would probably add around 20 or so 'spammers'

Also I think it's pretty lame to come here posting blablabla what a wolfy idea, it's the same thing as going to a trade thread saying "lolzoelzolz u r itmzsdzz sucksxx"... if you have nothing positive to say you don't have to keep spamming it times x10. And yes I said spam because while you are diligently protesting it as good posts you've said the same thing to death already by now...

Post it once... but post it twice <- :lipsrsealed:

edit: not to mention the fuzz you cause makes the whole thread go more and more OT

 

[TheDarkSide]

Tis a sad state of affairs this once remarkable games has turned into . For the record I still head one of the few remaining No dupe , No hack , 100% All Legit , clans on Bnet .

Of course once we were many and now we are few . Only 3 active members exist in Ofc (Old Farts Clan) nowdays ..We even had a thread on our forum not long ago that went a bit like this when we tried to recruit a few new members to our clan ---

Quoted "DangerousDave " We do not like cheats, hacks or dupes.
We play the game as legitimately as possible.

Just in case anyone was wondering.

There seems to be an attitude among the DII populace that cheating and using dupes is OK. I guess that puts OFC in a very small minority, and I'm OK with that.

I just find the game more fun when played without cheating. Anyone can click on a link even found on this forum and go purchase a duped, godly DII item. It doesn't take intelligence. It doesn't take skill. Heck, it doesn't even take much money. hehe

But it takes a lot of skill, intelligence and even teamwork (at times) get get a level 85+ HC character.

I think some players get into cheating because they're trying to impress someone or anyone.

If you want to impress me, get a level 90+ HC character with all legit gear, from start to finish. Do it in a team or solo. Just do it legitimately.
"end quote "

As much as Id like to see D2 return to its former glory its Blizzard that has failed us the Legit people and I dont think it will ever change . I do come here to read the forums occassionaly and see whats going on . Iv'e pretty much given up playing D2 and moved on to Nwn 2 and Guildwars at this point . Thanks for the positive vibes and trying , I fear its too late though ...

:sad2:

 

[GeedsMisfortune]

I don't believe anything can be done about it. Diablo II is easily exploitable. You can dupe with lagging the server's! That just shows how unsecure the protocols are. And the whole items can stay in some buffer (on the ground) thing... it's just not reliable compared to direct transactions (player -> player or corpse -> player). Blizzard knows that, but they just can't do anything except some workarounds like temp bans for "suspicious" behavior. It requires a complete rework to solve such hardcoded problems. The good news is though that such things are pretty much nonexistant in another Blizzard's title - World of Warcraft. So we can only hope that the experience will transfer to battle.net v2. It must, with the upcoming Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3. The rest of evil stuff (bots for instance) will be taken care by Hardcore mode.

 

[ADSL]

I wouldnt mind helping aswell. I dont really play anymore, though I would play if the ladder reset.
I dont get why people have the time to be criticizing this suggestion, and proclaim its a waste of time. How is this anymore waste of time than spamming these threads?
And never venture out of the hardcore forum here, its a dangerous world out there.

 

[ModeratelyConfused]

This Gorm mod is a freaking Nazi who is acting antithetical to the purpose of the forums, which is to encourage discussion. He actually does the opposite. If you express an opion contrary to his, you're out. How nice. That's what we call censorship.

Nope, check this out:

10. Thou Shalt Not Mention "Freedom of Speech."
Or we'll vomit. All over your Treads of Cthon, we promise you. This is a private forum, and you are our invited guests. The administrators have a tough job, trying to keep the forums clean and presentable while not willingly stifling open discussion. If a thread or post is locked or deleted, that was the necessary step to take in the judgment of the administrator. Please don't bandy irrelevant constitutional law and hope to plea the case for less "censorship." Don't start a vote, don't throw food, don't throw a hissy fit, don't light up torches and mob our central office. We don't censor, we exercise judgment and quality control on something in which we invest a lot of time and effort. We only accept posts written in English.

 

[Parsnips]

Hello Everyone!!!

Ok, I'm going to try to answer as many questions and solve as many problems as I can, without getting banned so lets cross our fingers.

1st off, what I have stated previously is that I would like feedback from the supporters what you want changed in the game and what hacks you want reversed. Then I will be compiling a list of main points to address in the emails to blizzard. I feel the comments will have the most effect if both are written in our own words, but also have a base of topics that are unified for change.

So, I need feedback.

2ndly, yes I do see the risk in doing this, that blizzard will do nothing. But honestly, if that's all we have to lose then at least I personally would like to try. I don't see it as a huge risk to myself or others. I can only see possible gain. I realize that the game is a decade old and they have other projects on the go but it hardly takes a huge bite out of blizzard to put a minuscule effort into people that have served them for a decade. Also I want to state that we are not attacking blizzard, we're attempting to show them how bad things in the game have gotten, we're not happy, and we need change. We must keep it as professional as possible, and in another sense telling them that we really just want to keep playing their game the way that they intended.

After this attempt, If I still have supporters then I/ we will send another cycle of emails to blizzard. This email will come off more strongly worded but keeping with the professional tone. After this we will have to judge what to do based on blizzards reactions.

Lets keep in mind that resetting the ladder takes little or no work from blizzard and if that's the best we can ask for then we must take it. It will improve things for a while at least.

I will address the matter of the spam and I am not attempting to get banned, just "discussing" the matter. Open discussion is perfectly acceptable and keeps to the codes and conduct of this forum. What I am proposing is what happens for DD supporters is to just ignore any negative feedback. How I see it is people will not keep up the onslaught if we don't give reason for them to continue. What I personally suggest and this is not to be taken as an order, but "just don't look". Any anger in this matter will close this immediately, that is the last thing we want. I will be following this rule and I sincerely hope all DD supporters will do the same. I believe the negative feedback will cease, letting us move forward. As old members we are full aware of the possibility blizzard will do nothing, so please try not to pay any heed.

Unko Talok I am very sorry to hear this, I hope that my future actions can help to persuade you back to the love for this game the way it should be.

I continue to thank everyone for the support, especially after the rocky day yesterday. Just always try to keep in mind that I'm attempting to do the most beneficial thing for the game in my eyes. I know not everyone agrees, however this comes with choice. I personally feel that discussing the matter for non believers takes as much time and effort as writing a simple email to blizzard.

If their is any other problems or something that I didn't address please tell me and I'll try to solve it as immediately as I can. If i take any amount of time it's probably because i am strategising the next move, after all we only live once.

One last thing, my internet has been working off and on since 7am this morning, so i'm trying my hardest to get this post to you!

I finally was able to connect to a wireless provider in the area but I still don't really have internet, so you'll all have to be patient with me. I'm trying my best.

 

[Barrynor]

Gorny is not a nazi. Nazi's were something different. Gorny has been modding here for more than two years already, and he does a fine job.

You want to do the same to Gorny as he does to you, and you do it with insults. Not a smart move.

This Gorm mod is a freaking Nazi who is acting antithetical to the purpose of the forums, which is to encourage discussion. He actually does the opposite. If you express an opion contrary to his, you're out. How nice. That's what we call censorship.

 

[waflob]

Wow - I get back from a few days out of town and see this !?!

Trish, I'd do this. I regularly have email discussions with Blizzard support, sometimes heated, but ultimately it comes down to their decision. I even consider it a minor victory if I can get them to admit that there is a problem. I have a theory that tppk is actively ignored by Blizzard, as I have never received any information/comments/answers about it, even when directly asked.

I'll do this anyway, because giving in is the worst option. Also, as Baranor suggested, AB might be the refuge for legit players, although my experience is that the levels of activity are dropping. Why not do both ?

I wish you well with this

DelBoy

 

[Parsnips]

Thanks for the support!

I have made an account over on AB, and already have picked up some support! Very good idea! Anything else that you could tell me about is great.

Also, does anyone know of any old legit clans I could talk to about all this?? I really feel this is starting to pick up the heat we need but we need to hit it out of the park. If anyone knows about old clans and how I can contact/ write them or possibly find them on diablo?? Or any legit channels on DII that I can visit online(west and east)??? If anyone has anything, let me squeeze the lemon!

 

[Orphan]

Lets keep in mind that resetting the ladder takes little or no work from blizzard

How do you know? Can you elaborate on the process.

 

[Gorny]

Parsnips,

Unless you wish to be permanently banned from the forums, we had better have a private talk and sort this out.

You posted this same thread in Community, and the thread was closed.

You just posted this again in another thread hoping I would not notice, or maybe your posting in an attmpt to troll further and stir the pot?

I have deleted your post in Community and given you an infraction for Incitement.

Post it again in Community or any other forum without talking to me via PM first will result in a permanent ban from the forums.

 

[Parsnips]

Parsnips,

Unless you wish to be permanently banned from the forums, we had better have a private talk and sort this out.

You posted this same thread in Community, and the thread was closed.

You just posted this again in another thread hoping I would not notice, or maybe your posting in an attmpt to troll further and stir the pot?

I have deleted your post in Community and given you an infraction for Incitement.

Post it again in Community or any other forum without talking to me via PM first will result in a permanent ban from the forums.

I understand your point of view Gorny and I understand the infraction you have placed on me. I will stay out of community if it will only make you happy. I however am attempting to make this game better for those who will need it, to make them happy. I was attempting to sir no ones pot.
I again apologize for my actions for I do not wish a ban on myself. Thanks for your continuing leadership and responsibility you bring to these forums!

 

[HelzCaretaker]

Hello Everyone!!!

Ok!!! Good to have you all along in this fight!! NA NA NA NA!!, NA NA NA NA!!, HEY HEY HEY!!! GOODBYE!!!

Manago, real quick before I get into it. The whole point of this fight is so that what I consider legit capable players no longer have to find alternative means to play this game. We bought Xpac way back when and I as a strong member will follow it through to the end. I consider this game ours and not the people who try to sully it up by doing something that is easy. I feel we must reclaim this game for not only moral reason but also because we are the people who made this it as successful as it was. Anyone can hack, lets show them what work and team work really is!!!


Now, to continue on....

1stly, I have created an email address to keep people updated and to better organize members who are going to partake in this epic battle. Its located at

[email protected]

I would like to get your emails and also any suggestion or demands out of blizzard you may have. I will need to compile a list of what we want out of them. I want to continuously make everyone feel a part of this as much as possible because you all need to see how important this is really going to be.

I am also in the banana (op xbananax) channel most of the day, and given that I'm not afk will be there to answer any questions and if anyone needs convincing.... I'LL PUMP YOU UP!

Next, after just half a day we have managed to get the support of 16 hardcore players which is quite impressive and a good start to reaching our goal. If anyone can please spread the word to your friends and old members that have stopped playing to get as much as we can that would be great!! I will be doing the same. Here is a list of everyone included so far....

Relativity
Unko Talok
Corn
Tai
Toolman
Nuzzo
PhatTrumpet
WrongdayJ
Mz33
BTK-Angel
KND
Gambit
Barrynor
MrKaxe

This is very good for one night!!! However, need more all the time, I am going to go over to sc today and plead our case. I will be making the post as concise as possible as to rally as many people as possible.

Finally, and this could be the most important aspect of this post is that I have set a date, in approximately 2 weeks

its SATURDAY JUNE 23rd!!!

We will form a band on this day and take down blizzard with it so lets all give it all we've got and make the biggest ruckus known to man!!!!

There will be more postings and emails and I will be in the banana channel to keep contact with everyone. Don't hesitate to write and one last thing

DON'T GIVE INTO CLASSIC!!! LETS TAKE BACK WHATS OURS!!!! It's not fixing the problem it's just submitting to Blizzard!!! This is our game!!!!

FIGHT THE POWER!!!

Sign me up, in the meantime as many hackers trying lld shall be brutally beaten and told to go slit their wrists!!!

 

[Orphan]

I rest my case. Clearly you do not know the scope of what you're asking, as you continually make powerful statements without supporting evidence at all. Nothing you have said indicates that you are aware of what is actually required by Blizzard to address these issues that you desire, but then again it would appear you do not care about that anyway.

As far as I'm concerned, this movement is only a product of misguided anger. You speak like a politition, in that your words are big but do not really focus on anything. Whether by intention or not, your responses are particular judgemental, and it only makes the situation look worse than what it is.

You are indeed entitled to do what you wish, and I applaud your intent, but I dislike your method. I wish you the best of luck, but this appears to be nothing dissimiliar to any other petition that comes and dies, with the only exception that this one simply has more words.

 

[Parsnips]

I rest my case. Clearly you do not know the scope of what you're asking, as you continually make powerful statements without supporting evidence at all. Nothing you have said indicates that you are aware of what is actually required by Blizzard to address these issues that you desire, but then again it would appear you do not care about that anyway.

As far as I'm concerned, this movement is only a product of misguided anger. You speak like a politition, in that your words are big but do not really focus on anything. Whether by intention or not, your responses are particular judgemental, and it only makes the situation look worse than what it is.

You are indeed entitled to do what you wish, and I applaud your intent, but I dislike your method. I wish you the best of luck, but this appears to be nothing dissimiliar to any other petition that comes and dies, with the only exception that this one simply has more words.

Thanks for your words.

I would like to reestablish my intentions to you as I feel you are misunderstanding me. I don't know what evidence you are asking me for, as for a ladder reset/ hack and dupe cleaning it only takes minor decoding of the system. I don't know all the linguistics about it because I am not a technical professional working at blizzard. They've had 2 ladder resets already so its not an impossible feat. Their are many possibilities for blizzard to take, some of which are banning cd keys of hacking accounts, ladder reset, new patch, decoding duping, banning botters, tppkers, people who use autoaim, ect ect, the list goes on. These are just some of the demands people have come to me, in a need for change. I feel these are some of the topics that must be covered in the emails to blizzard. As for being an empty promising politician that is the last thing that I am attempting to convey. I attempt to use the best language for this matter as a reflection for the severity and the attention it so strongly deserves. Also, attempt to credibly and respectfully represent the voices trying to be heard.

As i have said in a previous post, I am trying to work with blizzard not against them. Any anger of any kind is not the intention. We just want back the game that once was, not the imo filth that it has become. I do not see the shame in this aim and I will never be made to, I apologize for that.

Finally, I can not please everyone in my methods, strategies or approaches in this matter. All I can do is take suggestion into consideration and hope for the best result for the best intentions. As for any petition that has come and died, please hear me when I say we will try our best no matter the result, we can say that something was done. I feel that anyone pessimistic will never see result, so why not be strong and do the best we can?

Thank you for your words and I wish you all the best in your diablo endeavors.

 

[squiggle]

Do you think that most people want a legit game with no hacks no dupes?

I doubt it, so in a way you will be ruining this game for alot of other players that like the game how it is :S And you want to change the game to benefit a small community of people.

 

[Orphan]

I don't know what evidence you are asking me for, as for a ladder reset/ hack and dupe cleaning it only takes minor decoding of the system.

I like that "minor decoding". Can you elaborate further for me.

I don't know all the linguistics about it because I am not a technical professional working at blizzard. They've had 2 ladder resets already so its not an impossible feat.

And yet you feel qualified to make such statements as:

Lets keep in mind that resetting the ladder takes little or no work from blizzard

*Emphasis added by me

Two previous ladder resets show nothing of the simplicity or complexity of a ladder reset. The goal of the above statement is to increase support for your movement by making it sound like a reset is a trivial task and therefore the only reason Blizzard hasn't done so yet is because they do not care about us. This, despite there being absolutely no sound basis for it what-so-ever.

As a result, it's a powerful but empty statement. The type of statement that a politition might use to gain support for a movement, and hoping most people will be incited by it simply because it makes Blizzard look like they have absolutely no care factor for D2 at all.

Their are many possibilities for blizzard to take, some of which are banning cd keys of hacking accounts, ladder reset, new patch, decoding duping, banning botters, tppkers, people who use autoaim, ect ect, the list goes on.

No-one knows the complexity of alot of these. Banning hackers, botters, tppkers, etc or detecting dupings? As far as I know they do actually do this every now and then. They only post a news post if a mass banning has occured. The problem is that there's more people doing it than there are Blizzard employees monitoring it. As a result, you'd essentially be asking for more resources devoted to this problem, but is this feasible on Blizzard's side of things? That's not a question you're interested in though, is it.

A new patch? Blizzard will handle the new patches on their own accord. Judging by the fact that they have already solicitated ideas for a new patch on their battle.net forums indicates that there could be one in process. Nothing you do will speed that up, and will only serve to waste their time.

As i have said in a previous post, I am trying to work with blizzard not against them.

Sending mass emails and posting mass threads on their forums is not working with Blizzard. If you wanted to post 1 thread on their suggestion forum and gettin everyone who signed up to post in that thread then maybe, but mass threads is just spam.

 

[Relativity]

No-one knows the complexity of alot of these.

...So why are you expecting her to elaborate?

Unless the source code to Diablo II was made public, nobody but the coders at Blizzard know how much work it would actually take to implement ANYTHING. For all we know here on the outside, Blizzard has a big red button on the CEO's desk that says "Ladder Reset."

The problem is that there's more people doing it than there are Blizzard employees monitoring it. As a result, you'd essentially be asking for more resources devoted to this problem, but is this feasible on Blizzard's side of things?

Feasible? Absolutely. With the money they make from WoW they could buy their way into Heaven. Cost effective? That's another story...

A new patch? Blizzard will handle the new patches on their own accord. Judging by the fact that they have already solicitated ideas for a new patch on their battle.net forums indicates that there could be one in process. Nothing you do will speed that up, and will only serve to waste their time.

Yes, and on their "to-do list" they disclude many of the persistent problems with the game, and instead include things like new runewords and stash expansion.

 

[Orphan]

...So why are you expecting her to elaborate?

Hmm, I don't know, probably because she actually said a ladder reset was a simple task (quote, "takes little to no work from Blizzard")? Probably because she actually said that only minor decoding was required? Only someone who knows what they're talking about would make these claims, right? Right?

You make a claim, you need to follow through and support it. These are powerful statements. I mean, this is the crux of her argument. Blizzard's seemingly simple tasks that are not being performed. Her statements appear to indicate that she has knowledge of these tasks. Because this is the solid basis of her argument, she needs to support this, otherwise it's nothing other than idealistic talk from her point of view.

If the tasks were indeed difficult to perform, she would have no case against Blizzard, so she needs the tasks to appear to be easy and trivial. It makes Blizzard look all the more evil. But they're empty arguments unless you can back them up.

Yes, and on their "to-do list" they disclude many of the persistent problems with the game, and instead include things like new runewords and stash expansion.

And no amount of whinging is going to change that. This happens all the time on the battle.net forums. Blizzard already have their plans with the patch, and they'll release it when they get it finished.

Patch 1.10 took about 2 years to come out. Patch 1.11 came out 2 years after that. In both cases, a new ladder commence (though with 1.10 it actually began). Blizzard only started asking for suggestions about a year ago or something, if that.

Even if the 2 year timeline stays true we're not due for one until around August this year, so it's still too early to whinge, but even then it's unlikely Blizz will do it then. Blizz handle these things on their own time. Hell, I'm surprised we got 1.11 at all.