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Better PvP whirl weapon?

Discussion in 'Barbarian' started by F1R3STR1D3R, Mar 19, 2004.

  1. F1R3STR1D3R

    F1R3STR1D3R IncGamers Member

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    Better PvP whirl weapon?

    Ethereal Zod'ed 280ed Death Cleaver Berserker Axe

    One-Hand Damage:137 - 405
    +280% Enhanced Damage
    +40% Increased Attack Speed
    -33% Target Defense
    66% Deadly Strike
    +9 Life After Each Kill

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    Ethereal Breath of the Dying 400ed Berserker Axe

    One-Hand Damage:180 - 533
    50% Chance To Cast Level 20 Poison Nova When You Kill An Enemy
    Indestructible
    +60% Increased Attack Speed
    +400% Enhanced Damage
    +200% Damage To Undead
    -25% Target Defense
    +50 To Attack Rating
    +50 To Attack Rating Against Undead
    7% Mana Stolen Per Hit
    15% Life Stolen Per Hit
    Prevent Monster Heal
    +30 To All Attributes
    +1 To Light Radius
    Requirements -20%
     
  2. sahlakh

    sahlakh IncGamers Member

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    Death cleaver has higher damage, but I'd choose BotD any day, mostly because of the huge attribute bonus and also for leveling purposes (leech, dmg to undead).
     
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    jjashik IncGamers Member

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    i think botd has a higher dmg than death cleaver.

    i would go with botd.
     
  4. l2aider1

    l2aider1 IncGamers Member

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    Neither one

    GOGO Ethereal Fools Cruels Berzerker Axe of Quikness w/ 2 sockets !!!
     
  5. evolutionxii

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    If for dmg wise, I would go for Ethereal Zod'ed 280ed Death Cleaver Berserker Axe as it has 66% deadly strike, if you use a highlord ammy + gore rider, it will rock... generating over 100%+ deadly strike, that means doubling your dmg per hit, (137 - 405) x 2 = 274 - 810. Isn't that cool???
     
  6. F1R3STR1D3R

    F1R3STR1D3R IncGamers Member

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    If I go ethereal DC I'd get eth sandstorms instead of gore riders. With BotD I'd go gores + highlords and plus critical strike from axe mastery to get 68% critical strike at 99. (137-405)*2 or (180-533)*1.68. 274-810 or 302-895. So BotD does more damage over time. BotD also adds 30 all attributes and 50 attack rating, which means 150 more base attack rating, 120 more life, and 30 more ED to the weapon. But Death Cleaver does -33% target defense and BotD does -25% target defense. How big is -8% target defense? Since death cleaver has such a big deadly strike, you can switch the boots out for something else... I choose ethereal treks for defense, vita, fhr and str. With perfect Ethereal sandstorms theres 15str and 15vita and around 260 defense.

    Pros of DC + eth treks
    -8% Target defense
    +50 more defense
    20% Faster Hit Recovery
    Huge Poison resists

    Cons of DC + treks
    No open wounds
    No crushing blow
    -15 vitality
    -15 strength
    -30 dexterity
    -50 attack rating
    No Leech
    No PMH

    Assuming 10,000 defense opponent
    -33% TD = 6,666 defense
    -25% TD = 7,500 defense

    Assuming 20,000 attack rating
    Chance to Hit 6,666 defense: Chance to Hit for Melee Attacks: 100 * 20,000 / (20,000 + 6,666) * 2 * 99 / (99 + 99) = 75%
    Chance to Hit 7,500 defense: Chance to Hit for Melee Attacks: 100 * 20,000 / (20,000 + 7,500) * 2 * 99 / (99 + 99) = 73%

    The extra mods on eth BotD out weigh eth EC IMO, now that I look at it.
    Comment otherwise
     
  7. DeathsHand

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    personally i think the DC >> botd easily with its deadly strike.

    btw mastery is critical strike, gores + highlords is deadly strike so its 21% critical and about 45% deadly with botd.

    if u use dc you can use 2 angelic rings + amu for higher AR (2k base def using DC > 150 ar from botd) so you'll have 21% CS and 66% DS +2K more base AR.

    so you get about the same average dmg with DC due to deadly strike + u can use alot more AR, if u use angelics with botd u lose alot of deadly strike thus losing dmg.
     
  8. lilguyboi03

    lilguyboi03 IncGamers Member

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    i choose botd
     
  9. Æ’enris

    Æ’enris Banned

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    GOGO Eth cruel master's mechanics war pike of quickness butchery self-repair
     
  10. F1R3STR1D3R

    F1R3STR1D3R IncGamers Member

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    CS + (DS/100)*(100-CS)
    21 + (66/100)*(100-21) = 73% With DC, no Highlords, no Gore Riders
    21 + (45/100)*(100-21) = 62% With BotD, Highlords, Gore Riders

    (339)*1.73 = 586 avg dmg (446)*1.62 = 722 avg dmg
    so you get more avg dmg with BotD
     
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    I remember reading a thread a while back about a perfect eth zodded death cleaver vs a 400% eth botd. I can't seem to find it though. Anyway the death cleaver won in the physical damage department by a very slim margin(all factors included, deadly strike, and +30 strength on botd). The consensus was that the other mods on a botd outweigh the damage on a perfect ethereal death cleaver. Also eth botd weapons can get more than 400%(if the item was superior), so try for one of those if you can.
     
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    botd easily
     
  13. iceball_aarf

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    I would go for the Eth DC based in the same thing DeathsHand said, but i would still pair it with gores, not only for the deadly, but for a chance of open wounds too, all in all the dmg isn´t so different when taking everything into account PvP wise, but the AR that you can effectively achieve while keeping that dmg is higher with the DC than the BoTD and that can be of great help...
     
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    deadly strike doubles your over all damage. So if you do like 1k-3k with 100% deadly strike you are realy doing 2k-6k.
     
  15. illa

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    Something you dudes shouldn't forget is that with the 15% dmg from a superior berzerker axe :p
     

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