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Discussion in 'Paladin' started by Michael Nuggets, Apr 24, 2008.

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Best smiter weapon

  1. Last Wish

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  2. Grief

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  1. Michael Nuggets

    Michael Nuggets IncGamers Member

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    best smiter weapon

    i like Last wish better than Grief

    Last wish has 10 percent chance to cast life tap (level 18)
    and it also come with 60-70 chance of crushing blow wut do you guys think
     
  2. NagisaFurukawa

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    Re: best smiter weapon

    Grief has +340-400 damage... CB can come from anywhere, and you have plenty of sources of Life Tap.
     
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    Re: best smiter weapon

    pvp or pvm ?
    pvp=grief
    pvm=lw(my personal prefernce)
     
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    Re: best smiter weapon

    Grief .
     
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    Re: best smiter weapon

    yeah but you can use better items than your sources of life tap for pvm smiter.



     
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    Re: best smiter weapon

    But you lose the damage...

    Besides, Exile pwns with (or without) either LW or Grief. (And has Life Tap)
     
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    Re: best smiter weapon

    Depends what you are doing, grief is superior for PVP and for ubers they are tied really, I use grief though.
     
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    Re: best smiter weapon

    I also like Grief more
     
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    Re: best smiter weapon

    Not another one of these :(
     
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    Re: best smiter weapon

    Grief ofcourse. LW IS NOT A SMITER WEAPON JUST BECAUSE IT HAS 70% CB.
    LW DOES NOT ADD ANY DAMAGE TO SMITE.
    God.
     
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    Re: best smiter weapon

    Who said Grief is a SMITER weapon? LW has Might aura, which increases damage, but by a tiny amount, it has CtC Life Tap and Fade, both useful in UT. I still like Grief better, though.
     
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    Re: best smiter weapon

    At first glance LW looks nice, with all the Fade, Life Tap and CB you'll need. The problem is the rest of your gear CANNOT make up the huge +340-400 damage from Grief, but it can cover the lifetap, fade and CB that Last Wish already has. Last Wish is useless outside of Tristram, requires 6 HR's to make, and doesn't provide any groundbreaking advantage whatsoever. Personally I think this is honestly a pointless debate. The fact that ANY ONE PERSON can even AFFORD a Last Wish shows how ****ed up the b.net economy is.

    Grief, aside from being godly in pvp and pvm, can also do ubers. It also hits the max smite speed in a phase blade with only Fanaticism. The winner should be pretty clear...
     
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    Re: best smiter weapon

    I agree with UberB. Let´s see: Cb from Gores and Guillaumes, lifetap from Exile, fade prebuff from Treachery. +dmg only from Grief. So Grief >>>>Lw for smiter.
     
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    Re: best smiter weapon

    a crappy +340 grief = a +90 to Holy Shield weapon when in the hands of any pally with a point into Smite.

    a LW = a complete waste of the weapon slot for any pally planning to use smite.

    LW just blows. about the only build that can actually get great use out of one is a PvM kick/trap'sin. even then, a k/t'sin has other, better and cheaper alternatives available to them.

    /vouch.



     
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    Re: best smiter weapon

    I personally use grief & think like alot of people, that you can't make up for the +340-400 dmg that you would lose if you dropped grief. While LW is nice all of its advantages CAN be made up by other gear choices.

    As such I think LW might be the winner if you have a hdin that you keyrun with that you also want to use for ubering because you don't have a smiter. In that ONE case I think LW would be better since you would have everything you need for smiting the ubers on a weapon switch & wouldn't have to hold a full set of smiter gear in your stash.
     
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    Re: best smiter weapon

    Last wish is harder to make on your own (need 3 Jah :shocked:), so... it's too duped for my tastes.

    Also, technically speaking, people here are right... the +340 - 400 damage is really useful, CB only helps so much, towards the end is not that effective, so that's when the real damage helps!

    you can get CB from so many other items (Gores, Guillaumes, Boold Gloves - 5-10%, even armor)

    [anyone got a legit Lo for trade for a Vex? :smiley:]
     
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    Re: best smiter weapon

    Grief has a downside which is mainly only 5% lifetap from Dracul's and probably only 50 CB. Some people just love to have 100 CB, but it is possible to do it without a one-dimensional weapon like Last Wish.

    This is a zealot setup with ~20% lifetap (too lazy to check up exact amount) and 100% crushing blow using a STRONG Zealot weapon.

    Guillaume's w/15 IAS jewel
    eDeathZ
    Fortitude
    Exile, preferably in eth bugged 45 resist all base pally shield, pretty hard to get
    Laying of Hands
    Nosferatu's
    Raven/rare resists ring
    Gores
    Highlord's

    You get 100 CB, 100 DS, max zeal/smite speed and really high damage. Pure zealwise, Death even does more damage than Grief. (Zealwise, not smite.) Don't believe me? Read this.
    http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=539777
    Downside is you lack a bit in resists, but once you factor in torch and anni it's not much of a problem.

    So you achieve anything that Last Wish can do, while using a less dupe dependent gear and a very very strong Zealot weapon. This setup can be used for Uber Tristram easily too.

    P.S. I realize that Death is not a smiter weapon, but if we really went on about smiter weapons like the title suggested instead of a Grief vs Last Wish debate, than Grief would be #1 obviously.
     
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    Re: best smiter weapon

    Grief also has ITD, which Death doesn't.
    Since smiters usually max Holy Shield, they need a bit less dexterity, and they might lack some attack rating.

    It's true though that legit Death is easier to make than legit Grief. Who can drop Lo? Countess? Forge?
     
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    Re: best smiter weapon

    Countess can drop Lo.....dunno about forge though
     
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    Re: best smiter weapon

    Highest i got from Countess (~20 runs) is Mal. It looks I'll just run her until I get a Lo :smiley: then I'll have my Grief. (my smiter is still young - lvl 29, so no big emergency) My zon can do about 1 countess run in 15 mins so.. no biggie.


     

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