best overall dueler for pubs?

andrewexd

Diabloii.Net Member
best overall dueler for pubs?

I make new character so much i want to stick with one for a litlle bit. So im trying to make a pvp chars for public duel games and for 1vsAlot. Only character i can think of is a glass cannon (or not) bowzon. I will not make a elemental character because of absorb, or a wind druid. What character do you think would be overall best for pub games?
 

jakotaco

Diabloii.Net Member
As I see it there's rarely anyone bothering sorbing in pubs as there are generally more than one player/element fighting at once, sorb gear might show up if you challenge someone 1vs1 or if you end up owning all in game :wink:

Other than that there are very few sources of magic sorb so either some physical attacker like Bowazon, BvA or Smiter. Or you can go for a Boner or some hammer variety.

Also poison cannot be absorbed (but stacked resists against) Rabies/Fury is another combination.

The many different paladin hybrid builds should be excellent in pubs what I've heard, bit gear intensive though... (pick any combo of 2 of these: Hammer, Smite, FoH, charge) and you're ready to go!

I suggest reading some through some of the pvp guides til you see something you think you can like.
 

Ce Olba

Banned
This has been asked a lot, and the same characters always come up:
Bonemancer
Hammerdin
BvC
WW/Trapsin
Windy

Each of those have their strong sides and their weak sides.

Bonemancer
+magical damage
+can reach half-immunity versus melee via max block + bone armor + 75% DR + 86% FHR
- Bone Spirit is slow
- Bone Spear is annoying to aim

Hammerdin
+Massive damage
+ Can easily stack resistances while retaining a very good amount of damage, blocking, fcr and life
+ Can beat most if not all builds
- Some people consider hammerdins lame for some reason

BvC
+ Massive life
+ decent damage
+ high resistances
+ Leap
+ Basically the best caster killer along with wwsins
- no blocking
- low defense

WW/Trap
+ decent life
+ high trap damage
+ Mind Blast
+ Fade
+Claw Block
+Shadow Master
- Venom (negatable)
- Traps can be absorbed
- lacks physical damage

Windy
+huge life
+summon stack
+ can tank melees (with 86% FHR, 6.6k life, a 6k bear, 75% blocking and 50% DR)
+ Can absorb some elemental damage
+ one of the best TvT characters
+ Tornado can hit multiple times
- If summons die, the Windy is on trouble
- High dependancy on summons at times
- Physical damage
 

mainaman

Diabloii.Net Member
This has been asked a lot, and the same characters always come up:
Bonemancer
Hammerdin
BvC
WW/Trapsin
Windy

Each of those have their strong sides and their weak sides.

Bonemancer
+magical damage
+can reach half-immunity versus melee via max block + bone armor + 75% DR + 86% FHR
- Bone Spirit is slow
- Bone Spear is annoying to aim

Hammerdin
+Massive damage
+ Can easily stack resistances while retaining a very good amount of damage, blocking, fcr and life
+ Can beat most if not all builds
- Some people consider hammerdins lame for some reason

BvC
+ Massive life
+ decent damage
+ high resistances
+ Leap
+ Basically the best caster killer along with wwsins
- no blocking
- low defense

WW/Trap
+ decent life
+ high trap damage
+ Mind Blast
+ Fade
+Claw Block
+Shadow Master
- Venom (negatable)
- Traps can be absorbed
- lacks physical damage

Windy
+huge life
+summon stack
+ can tank melees (with 86% FHR, 6.6k life, a 6k bear, 75% blocking and 50% DR)
+ Can absorb some elemental damage
+ one of the best TvT characters
+ Tornado can hit multiple times
- If summons die, the Windy is on trouble
- High dependancy on summons at times
- Physical damage
why do you mention def and block for a bvc as negatives? there is exactly only one relatively popular class in pubs that having good defence against matters, and thats barb with shield. A BvC can definetely deal with most of those . for the other classes blocking and def dont matter(except shapeshifters), you know that.

Hammerdin is the best overal pub dueler, but if you really want good hammerdin with good stack dmg and life you will have to pay good price for charms. Many good players pub duel from time to time, and if you meet one of those you'll realize you need good gear to be able to stand against them..
I wouldnt recommend any elemental dmg build, if you decide not to go with hammerdin.



 

Ce Olba

Banned
why do you mention def and block for a bvc as negatives? there is exactly only one relatively popular class in pubs that having good defence against matters, and thats barb with shield. A BvC can definetely deal with most of those . for the other classes blocking and def dont matter(except shapeshifters), you know that.
Because BvCs are not perfect. It's not about needing or not needing something.



 

WhiteAlien

Banned
I would like to mention Blizzard soso. Well build blizzard soso will 1hitPK almost all puby duellers. The best for quick kills in my opinion.

Cons:
- if no max block then easy cake for bowzones and some good BvC's
- if cannot stuck light res, then probs with Foh's
 

Ce Olba

Banned
Cons:
- if no max block then easy cake for bowzones and some good BvC's
Sorry, I disagree.

If you do not have max block, you are absolutely destroyed by BvCs and WW/Trap sins. The only time a Blizzard sorc should trouble a BvC is if it's an ES/Max block one.



 

WhiteAlien

Banned
Sorry, I disagree.

If you do not have max block, you are absolutely destroyed by BvCs and WW/Trap sins. The only time a Blizzard sorc should trouble a BvC is if it's an ES/Max block one.
Like always you are argueing about everything. I'll wont discuss this matter with you, BvC expert.



 

Thoridian

Diabloii.Net Member
WW/Trap
+ decent life
+ high trap damage
+ Mind Blast
+ Fade
+Claw Block
+Shadow Master
- Venom (negatable)
- Traps can be absorbed
- lacks physical damage
Traps arent source of damage for any non-retarded wwsin.

Bonemancer
+magical damage
+can reach half-immunity versus melee via max block + bone armor + 75% DR + 86% FHR
- Bone Spirit is slow
- Bone Spear is annoying to aim
Bone Spear is not annoying to aim, its actually quite easy to aim with it.
 

andrewexd

Diabloii.Net Member
oh i forgot to mention i have a hammerdin i use to mf hes decent melee killer but its hard to catch fast teleporters (dont have 125% fcr) how do people make those really really good hammerdins. I have seen some in pubs and they never lose more than 1/10 of their life. my hammerdin is just average he has about 2.8k life and 14k dmg 75 all resists. Im probably going to go with bone necromancer or a bowazon.
 

crawlingdeadman

Diabloii.Net Member
oh i forgot to mention i have a hammerdin i use to mf hes decent melee killer but its hard to catch fast teleporters (dont have 125% fcr) how do people make those really really good hammerdins. I have seen some in pubs and they never lose more than 1/10 of their life. my hammerdin is just average he has about 2.8k life and 14k dmg 75 all resists. Im probably going to go with bone necromancer or a bowazon.
good hammerdins desync, not tele.

for my bet i feel like my liberator (hammer/charge) has a good shot with most of the field...except i cant seem to beat my friend's v/t (foh/smite) with him.



 

DarkMousy

Diabloii.Net Member
Stack res and throw on tgods to null the foh, then it'll be easy, hammer > smite. Desynch hammer fields around him (NEVER tele on a smiter, they will tank and kill you if they're any good).
 

normannen

Diabloii.Net Member
charge/smite char with 50dr max res and massive absorb items. think u can handel most char but maybe a little bit lame ^^ (i don't have 1 myself :p)
 

blobswannabe

Diabloii.Net Member
hammerdin no question. Botht he most cost effective and effective bm pk build. build. like town summoners are for idiots with nothing better to do with their lives.
 
Top