best LLD?

[Zangeif]

Well my Fury druid is better than the best on East lad (Ras) and I only get the top conc barbs to 40-50% It's not even close.

Then again, NL barbs have duped classic ammy, rings, and war hammer which really help them out a lot. Still, I think a conc barb should beat fury on Ladder but I can't be sure.

 

[Maccat]

I hate to sound like a jerk but nearly everyone in this thread is wrong.

Best overall:
Hammerdin or regen Charger
Second best:
Fire sorc/Necro

Regen charger is just 100% unkillable since it reps 50 life per second. Cheap but it works. Hammerdin desynch is hard to beat, and they can rep very fast too. If you try to rep vs. them, they just chip at you with foh while repping themselves back to full.

Best melee:
Conc barb
Second best:
Fury Druid/Zealot

Conc barb is #1 melee by FAR. Even the zealots that switch to 6x eth rune weapons still don't beat them near 50%.

Yes, Fury druids used to be second best, but now that people are duping eth bugged 4 socket Ornates with over 1k defense to re-use once they break, zealots are up there too. Boo for duping LLD gear!

NewForumBloke - FYI, I have the best Fury druid on any server. Trust me, they don't compete with the top casters. You won't hit a tele sorc, and you have to shift attack vs. hammerdins to try to guess where they desynched to. A good necro will use bonewall well and have enough rep to make you cry. WW barbs - GL getting them past 80%. Trappers will lock you up real fast. Why did you say druids wear dual spirits? Besides the fact that it is impossible for a druid to wear a spirit shield, I cant imagine a fury druid using a spirit sword and attacking at 12 frame fury lol.

You also mention wind druids. A windy will never hit a tele sorc or hammerdin. Trappers will lock them up in a second, and bow zons will never let them get close. WW barbs will tank them, and necros will stay off their screen. Windys can't compete with any of the top builds.

Maccat - Blizz sorcs are up there but not in the same league as any of the chars I mentioned. There is a reason everyone only makes fballers these days. Also, 15life/10mana is not perfect for lld. 15/12 is perfect and my server has a few people with 40x 11 or 12 mana scs.

st-hearts - charge speed is actually around 150 frw without vigor. With vigor it's even higher.

Regen chargers are beatable because their offense is just nothing to worry about (especially for a melee character or any character with max block). Hammerdins if played right, yes, are quite good but still, harder to hit a character with. Fireball? Are you serious? Maybe more damage and range but for any type of character to be easily negated like that is just not smart. I think melee Zealots are better than Conc barbs because of their fast pace and still, fairly decent defense.

 

[Phyrexial]

Bone necros I find to be particularly nasty.

Zangeif, when you say you have the best LLD Fury Druid are you comparing yours to Mei's also? I've been out of D2 for awhile but he was pretty much the best last time I played.

 

[NewForumBloke]

Zang- I didnt really mean that a druid at that level could wear dual spirits (though why a fury would want to is beyond me). Never talked about windy's, although i guess some of my comments could seem i mention them.

Also didnt know you got moved to east lad? I know a while back you were workin on a fury lld on non. I know Ras, and im sure that while he isnt the best, he isnt bad. Though im sure with your depths of wealth you prolly have some truely insane items lol.

One last thing, yes, ok i was wrong. Im not the biggest lld expert, just going on from what ive seen, which really in lld terms, hasnt been that much. Ive thought about making a regen ______ pala, but it just seemed so cheap to me that the fun factor would be zero (though im sure in pubs they would be an absolute blast).

Maybe i can catch you online sometime zang and see your fury? Im kinda a fan of lld fury's lol ><.

-BLoke :smug:

 

[Maccat]

Phyrexial, the problem I found with Bone necros is they're very hard to hit moving targets with. I just threw in the towel versus teleporting sorcs because it was pointless. I did great against every other class (even beat a couple 90's because of stacking resist and recasting bone armor) and the damage is sweet and not resistable but my biggest beef was that blizzard could be cast on me and I couldn't do anything to avoid it lol.

 

[NewForumBloke]

Skill bone necs though, again... from what ive seen..., with a combo of spear and spirit can really take out casters pretty well. Something a good boner needs though would be lots of frw/mana charms so that he can at least run fast enough to manuver around blizz's and fb's. Lol, i too have taken down a few hld's that werent quiet expecting a lvl 30 necro to have a bit of stack res and how decent my armor actually was. Ah, the good times with my necro lol.

-BLoke :smug:

 

[Zangeif]

Regen chargers are beatable because their offense is just nothing to worry about (especially for a melee character or any character with max block).

They crit for 5k and regen 50 life per second. They can desynch and charge away to heal. They are unbeatable.

Fireball? Are you serious? Maybe more damage and range but for any type of character to be easily negated like that is just not smart.

Sorry, I didn't know you dueled against BM pubs that use noka + hotspurs. In GM duels, a Fire sorc is up there with the best.

I think melee Zealots are better than Conc barbs because of their fast pace and still, fairly decent defense.

You know Zealots don't get conc barbs past 50% right? LOL

Phyrexial - My druid has better gear than Mei. However, he has a build that forks better for Fury v Fury. He uses summons an which soak up a lot of attacks since fury hits all adjacent targets. Ravens will also keep me in fbr. So he wins most of the time, but it's not really a straight melee duel.

NewForumBloke - I'm on East NL, I was just referencing Ras because I know he is the best fury on your server.

 

[Maccat]

Regen chargers aren't BM but using Nokozan and Hotspurs is? Please. There are plenty of characters you have to choose from and all will be equal to due battle depending on your equipment and skill. There is no "best" character but there are some that are easier to use. Regen chargers are quite good but you go two hand against a melee character and watch your *** get handed to you. Overall, I think any kind of Sorceress would be best for you. Make the character based on whatever equipment you can find. All have potential and you'll do fine in pubbies.

 

[Zangeif]

There are plenty of characters you have to choose from and all will be equal to due battle depending on your equipment and skill.

Are you for real? You think every character is equal? Wow...

 

[Maccat]

Man, you don't have to be a jackass about it. Seriously. If you have godly equipment for every character and perfect charms for all of them, then yes, a certain class will become superior AGAINST certain classes. Overall best, I'm not sure, but he can build any character he wants, have fun, win his share of duels, and go from there. I know there are best characters but overall best is hard to assume because yes, a regen charger would be good versus mages, not so much melee. Conc barbs may be best versus melee but good luck getting him to kill a decent mage. What's your account? I've been out of it for awhile due to losing my password, mind if I check out your characters? I'm on USEAST NL as well. Don't take any of this as an attack on you, as it's not, I'm just trying to give him an open idea for lld.

 

[akumaxxyz]

bone nec and hdin can pretty much kill all the lld builds.

melee i would say ww and smite is best.

 

[Maccat]

I ran a Bone Necro and no, they can't take all LLD builds. They are amazing, yes, but against a Blizzard Sorc they get anihilated because the Sorc can just teleport away and cast Blizzard on you and good luck hitting them with anything unless you have teleport (like HLD Necros). I thoroughly enjoyed my Necromancer but I was tempted time and time again to make a Poison Nova Necromancer just to kill them pesky Blizzard Sorceress. I think a Rabies/Fury Druid has potential (if built right).

 

[akumaxxyz]

er.. hawkmail +cold res armor or helmet > any cold sors. there is a way to tele, thats with a staff of teleport charges,

 

[Maccat]

Good luck with that. I had stacked resist, it's just the point, they regen their mana and chip away at you. You won't ever hit them consistantly. If you feel like chasing them around for 4 hours, you go for it.

 

[akumaxxyz]

name lock tele spear with tp staff charges every try? if all they do is just run then make them come to you.

 

[Maccat]

Making them come to you lets them use their range against you. It's just a no win duel whenever I did it. tele staffs are bm but even if used, you only have how many charges, 27? I guarentee you'll need more than that and good luck holding enough gold to repair it on that character. They are beatable but it's not a fun duel.

 

[akumaxxyz]

with 85 cold resist blizz wont hurt much. the only problems you should have is against fire es sors.

 

[st-hearts]

bone nec and hdin can pretty much kill all the lld builds.

melee i would say ww and smite is best.

I wouldn't consider WW and Smite melee skills.

Sorry, I didn't know you dueled against BM pubs that use noka + hotspurs. In GM duels, a Fire sorc is up there with the best.

I personally think Bowazons deserve a mention as well. Perhaps even higher than Sorcs (as long as the ruleset you play under doesn't allow teleport, I guess).

 

[akumaxxyz]

signz. just because they beat all the rest of the melee skills doesnt mean they are not melee.

bowazons all get 1-2hit ko by chargers.

 

[Maccat]

If you're going to use Hawkmail then you can use Nokozon and Hotspurts.. 95 > 85. Blizz owns you, simple as that. Try it if you don't believe me. You're not going to win. I've played them. If anyone knows on USEAST NL remember Reetmo, that was my necro. He did some serious damage but the even decent blizz sorcs were just too long of a battle to bare and I was on the losing end.