Best Barb for PvM

minuses

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Best Barb for PvM

Hey all I am wondering what kind of barb will be best for pvm. I am thinking a griefz and ss barb is best because of 50% dr and 75% block. Here would be what I am thinking of:
griefz 34%+ ias (I think that hits the break point for ww)
fort
ss 40% ed/15 max damage jewel
6% ll arreats 40% ed/15 max damage jewel
maras
5% ll bk
40/15 dungo
20 dex raven
gores
rends

Stats:
str- enough for gear
dex- enough for max block
vita- rest
energy- none

This is just my opinion for this being the best barb for pvm. I know this sounds too cc for many of you. I want to hear other opinions of what is the best barb in pvm and back up your reason.
 

Rawness

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Re: Best Barb for PvM

pvm. I am thinking a griefz and ss barb is best because of 50% dr and 75% block
First 1) One does not need 50%dr or 75%block in pvm.

ss 40% ed/15 max damage jewel
-> a 40 ed and 15 max damage = bugged anyways...

why?

griefz 34%+ ias (I think that hits the break point for ww)
That BP is for paladins. You actually only need 4% ias in order to hit the BP (34%) with a PB. And a second add to that. A zerker is useless for a PvM barb because of the repairs which will annoy you do death.

God...why?

Second) The best is relative. And I don't want to explained why because I am tired of it.

dual wielding has more hits than 2h or single wielding
And you DO not need the block nor the DR%.
 

Pailon

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Re: Best Barb for PvM

I personally would choose Frenzy Barb or WW barb.

Frenzy: Easy/fun to use, Fast paced, Good weps, Very Very fast attack rate, high speed ( so no 1 point wonders in Increased Stam or Increased Speed ), also very high dmg if your twinked (based upon gear you decided up there I assuming your twinking)
WW: Fun to use, Alot of hits in small amount of time, Helps with leech, Line 'em up and Take 'em out is really easy/super fun.

Honestly I use "PVP" or "PVB" chars for PVM like Smiters. I personally like a Basher (barb with bash as main skill duh) but I am not sure if it truly is PVM. I'm also if a Basher is even an actual build here... I'll check it out later...
 

SeCKSEgai

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Re: Best Barb for PvM

Max block on a non titan barb in pvm.... aside from the gear, i'd say it's all overkill.

While I'm not a fan of barbs aside from goldfind (and not that much even in that case), pvm wise I dual wield weapons. Basically, short of a bvb I would dual wield really as I find the block unnecessary.
 

zrk

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Re: Best Barb for PvM

That BP is for paladins. You actually only need 4% ias in order to hit the BP (34%) with a PB. And a second add to that. A zerker is useless for a PvM barb because of the repairs which will annoy you do death.
a set of griefzs lasts a hell cs run and can repair on regular town trip.. cheap too 15k if not superior



 

hubb

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Re: Best Barb for PvM

As said above DR and block isn't necessary for pvm and you double your dps by dual wielding. WW is better for general pvm than frenzy but obviously some will disagree. I'll never use an end-game weapons with durability again as the repairing drives me mad so griefz is out imo, but it might bother you less.

grief pb x 2 or eBOTDz/Beastz
highlords
fort/enigma/coh
In pvm coh comes close to fort regarding damage output and the res means you can easily hit max res while using guill's face.
dungo/soe
guill's face/arreats with +ed/max/res/ber/whatever
laying of hands
gores
raven + dual leech/AR/res or 2xravens if you go for BOTD

Might merc with andy's or 15ias guill's face, treachery (for laying down decrip faster) and eth shaeled reapers.
 

minuses

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Re: Best Barb for PvM

Rawness here is my answer to your questions:
1. To be sturdy as possible. Why do all good fanat zealots have 50% dr and 75% block in pvm?
2. More damage=better and ed jewels are cc for ww barb.
3. Maras>hlords for resist. You want to max out resist anyways.
4. 34% ias is the breakpoint for a barb using zerk. An extra rangeadder=more hits. Never say repair cost is a problem because thats not true. You get enough gold from travs anyways.
5. Bk is very cc for melee builds and even caster builds.
6. Block and dr way to go for best results.

Do you think I am more for pvp or am I too cc for you?

zrk- Thanks for backing me up with post #5.
 

hubb

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Re: Best Barb for PvM

1. Apples and oranges. Fanat zealots are stationary while attacking, have a lot less hp and need less dex to reach max block. You'd also be silly not to make use of a pali shield. Except if you plan on playing solo on players 8 without a merc going max block on a WW barb is just going to limit your killing speed.
2. No one questioned this. He was just reminding you not to use a jewel with both +max and ED in your helm.
3. Hlords>Maras for damage. Resists can be found elsewhere.
4. Not true for you maybe. Range isn't really an issue in pvm imo. It comes down to preference.
5. If you're on a budget maybe but it's hardly the "best". You can get more leech, mana leech, AR and resists on a rare.
6. Dual wield for double damage way to go for best results.
 

taxcut

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Re: Best Barb for PvM

Repairing axes sucks and I'm not the only one who thinks it... Beastz with a Doomz or Griefz offhand is a novelty that gets old very quickly... What's the point of Goldfinding if most of your loot is spent on repairing?


I'm on Team Rawness/ Hubb... Ind or self repair weps... I run Ubers with Grief/ LW PB on my Frenzy barb... No need for life leach with all the life tap... Fade is an added bonus from the LW...
 

zrk

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Re: Best Barb for PvM

the usual laying + highlord adds solid fire and light resist already, so maxing out isnt hard
Repairing axes sucks and I'm not the only one who thinks it... Beastz with a Doomz or Griefz offhand is a novelty that gets old very quickly... What's the point of Goldfinding if most of your loot is spent on repairing?
what are you talking about its cheap.. and dura: you try using ww with a low dura weapon in classic, THERE it runs out fast(1 fpa ww speed :p ) expansion is very mellow compared to that lol



 

minuses

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Re: Best Barb for PvM

1. Apples and oranges. Fanat zealots are stationary while attacking, have a lot less hp and need less dex to reach max block. You'd also be silly not to make use of a pali shield. Except if you plan on playing solo on players 8 without a merc going max block on a WW barb is just going to limit your killing speed.
2. No one questioned this. He was just reminding you not to use a jewel with both +max and ED in your helm.
3. Hlords>Maras for damage. Resists can be found elsewhere.
4. Not true for you maybe. Range isn't really an issue in pvm imo. It comes down to preference.
5. If you're on a budget maybe but it's hardly the "best". You can get more leech, mana leech, AR and resists on a rare.
6. Dual wield for double damage way to go for best results.
Well I have my opinion. Weapon swinging chars have more safetay with 50% dr and 75% block. Some monsters do hit hard like big crowd and minions in baaling. I just never liked highlords and so what it has a good crit mod but nothing special. Ed jewels work more effectively for ww barb.


 

hubb

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Re: Best Barb for PvM

wat

Ye, some things come down to preference so everyone's entitled to their opinion. Fortunately there's a way to quantify and compare gear choices :>

If you could fit 8 perfect ed jewels on a grief/fort/arreats/gores setup you'd still fall short of the damage highlords would add.

Wouldn't you say it's better to play a bit more defensively (use battle cry, war cry, howl and decrip to your advantage) in the 2% of the game that's actually hard and killing twice as fast as your would if you put on cruise control on a max block/dr build and just whirled through everything?
 

Rawness

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Re: Best Barb for PvM

Well I have my opinion.
this:
Ye, some things come down to preference so everyone's entitled to their opinion. Fortunately there's a way to quantify and compare gear choices :>


Weapon swinging chars have more safetay with 50% dr and 75% block
this: Wouldn't you say it's better to play a bit more defensively (use battle cry, war cry, howl and decrip to your advantage) in the 2% of the game that's actually hard and killing twice as fast as your would if you put on cruise control on a max block/dr build and just whirled through everything?
I just never liked highlords and so what it has a good crit mod but nothing special. Ed jewels work more effectively for ww barb.
critical hit = doubles damage. Doubles damage is good. You don't need more @. It's superfluous. Ed jewels work more effectively for ww barb. a non-sequitar, if it isn't meant to say that ED jewels is better than double damage... then it's just plain wrong.
 

Rofle

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Guess i'll add my 2 cents. Coming back from a hiatus so Hi to everyone :wave:

My favorite barb build of all time is similar with a tele-zerker build.

I roll with a bit different setup then alot of people, I enjoy hitting the 105% FCR break point on a switch with a spirit/hoto. run with an arachnid and FCR/stat ring. I know this wasn't really covered but its a great aspect with teleport, doesn't really affect anything else in the build though but I hate losing a teleport race or rushing slow.

Main hand I use a grief PB (Indestructible is a plus, why I picked it)
With a stormshield and a hit max block too. So with my other gear im a little short of the 50% DR cap but I'm around 43% (SS + Enigma)

I see this as a quick killer, its a nice key runner/rusher and what I use it for. Although its a slow crowd killer, but I view it as a lazer-damage build instead of a shotgun.

I enjoy the max block by being able to do anything I want in the game, and with the +skills I use the extra BO makes up for small deficiency in vit. But it could work either way, I just enjoy teleporting anywhere I want and not have to worry about getting stomped in a pack of things(Granted my switch spirit monarch doesn't have max block) But I enjoy the extra protection, but as stated it's all down to play-style.

This build however can't run ubers or mini-ubers since my gear choices don't have high CB, since I decide to use war-travs, like the MF this is again under play style, but with the high deadly strike and berserk, CB doesn't come into play most places for me under normal hell game-play.

This character has killed the Anni spawn uber diablo though, but most builds can take him out.

Also roll with a ravenfrost, since that's about the only other aspect of the gear I have that I haven't talked about.

/End Wall of Text :yes:
 

skullvomit

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Re: Best Barb for PvM

Hi. The barb I use mostly to kill Diablo and Travi (fast to get to). Looking the gear I have, apart the axes, cheap stuff. WW and in CS howl + zerk the bosses.

IK belt/gloves/boots
Angelic combo, rare AR/ll/ml ring
Griefz +SS (i have superior Doom but too expensive to use) or wizzy for more telespeed
Enigma
Arreat's

Can't remember when I last died with this and monsters go down fast. To improve: war travelers and chancies. AR overkill atm for pvm.
 
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minuses

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Re: Best Barb for PvM

Do you people get it. Maras on the build I was talking about is the only way to max out all resist. Thats why I was saying maras would be a better help than hlords. But of course its good to get the crits but not maxing out resist is bad. Let me guess you think I should um ss and take off an ed jewel? But instead of argueing about highlord being great then tell me your pvm barb for playing in big games. I still say sturdyness>killing speed.
 

zrk

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Re: Best Barb for PvM

loh and hlord get easy max lr and fr which are the more damaging elements.

reliability vs speed is a value judgement. Objective truth exists only where the parameters of good and bad are defined(aka descriptive statements), and in the case of value judgements they are not.
 

minuses

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Re: Best Barb for PvM

loh and hlord get easy max lr and fr which are the more damaging elements.

reliability vs speed is a value judgement. Objective truth exists only where the parameters of good and bad are defined(aka descriptive statements), and in the case of value judgements they are not.
Ok thanks for your advice. I might of been thing of a bvb but only change I would do is use angelics and a raven frost for mass ar in bvb but that is pvp.


 
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