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best avenger weapon without additional ias

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  1. Schnorres

    Schnorres IncGamers Member

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    best avenger weapon without additional ias

    What is the best weapon for an avenger without additional IAS from equipment and additional Ar from equipment?
    (both: not including/ including high runewords)

    My mf avenger lacks speed and Ar if I change to shaeffers I believe.
    Im using a nords 329 atm. (What to socket ?)
    Merc has holy freeze aura.
     
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    VoodooCamel IncGamers Member

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    Headstriker used to be one of the best weapons for an Avenger because deadly strike was counted before the vengeance damage was calculated. Not sure how it is now, but you should be using conviction because of: -150% res and -massive def. With conviction AR won't really be a concern for you.
     
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    Schnorres IncGamers Member

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    avenger is always "vengeance + conviction" I thought?!?
    i keep my conviction at lvl 25 always -150%res +93%def

    I need the Ar for hitting at all, then the -93%def counts in, or am i wrong ???
    The Ar with a lvl 1 vengeance(+5) is not so high.

    I tested a perfect ghostflame (ITD), it was way to slow and I did not land more hits
     
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    Loboleal IncGamers Member

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    You don't need too much AR for hitting monsters with -93%def. Defense only matters for chance to hit. After this, defense is not used any more. A monster in Hell difficulty got about 3000 defense ratting. After Conviction monsters defense will be reduced down to about 200.
    A ratio 5:1 in AR : DR would grant you 83% CTH (with equal levels), so you need about 1000 AR for 83% CTH. (A ratio 4:1 grants you 80% that is still aceptable).
    So you don't have to worry too much about your AR.
     
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    memememe173 IncGamers Member

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    B-Star, Cranebeak, Uped [eth] Headstiker, uped [eth] atlantean
    are all resonable fast and cheap
     
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    Evanta IncGamers Member

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    Did it really work that way b4? Now I'm pretty sure Vengence works before deadly strike though, I din see a massive increase in damage when I use Headstriker

    Anyway Grisworld's Caddy /Light sabre/Azurewrath are the only weapons able to hit 8fps with socketed shaels/IAS jewels, if you use Conversion often it's a big consideration.
     
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    AFBrat IncGamers Member

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    If you are on Ladder, trade for a good 2 socket Djinn Slayer, this is a great weapon to use when you double socket Shael. It is 9 FPS with Vengeance alone (its a -20 weapon to begin with +40% IAS from Shaels) with no outside IAS (its like 5 fps Zeal with no OIAS), I used this on my Avenger (thank you Bloodraven), which allowed me to free up my gloves to use perfect (60% ED) Steelrends :).

    As a side note, I believe Djinn Slayer does the most fire damage of any single weapon in the game (250-500). Only drawback with it is low durability (more a problem with Zealots). It doesn't have ITD but if you max conviction, hitting won't be a problem. Nice weapon!

    Nord's is a nice weapon also, don't like it? I consider it an outstanding weapon also, but obviously its slower than Djinn Slayer.
     
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    Weltkriegpally IncGamers Member

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    best possible avenger weapon? hmmmm....rare dimensional/crystal upgraded to phase with these mods (ethereal, of course)
    prefixes:
    cruel
    grandmasters
    fools
    suffixes:
    evisceration
    quickness
    mana leech/something, anything here?

    high damage and reasonably quick, also ethereal and no worrying about repair costs. shael, I suppose?

    --welt
     
  9. iceball_aarf

    iceball_aarf IncGamers Member

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    Without additional Ias:
    Well from what weltkriegpally said it would be either a 450%ed eth phase blade 2 socket +20 max +a total of at least 55% ias including socket ias or take 150% dmg off that phase blade and add fool´s(+.5dmg 16.5 ar/ch lvl)...
    Other only weapon that could hit 8fpa without help from the gear would be an ataghan with 80% ias (40% ias + 2 shaels) it would need the self repairing mod....

    And from everything else set&unique only a 110%ias (4 sockets, 2 shaels 2 ed/ias) griswold caddy could hit 8fpa... not even LS nor azurewrath, at least according to the german calculator...
     
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    Evanta IncGamers Member

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    oops. >_< my bad. LS and azurewrath can hit 8fpa only with some other form of IAS (needs 75% total)
     
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    I would recommend my new favorite pally melee weapon, stormlash. The damage quality doesn't matter as it will still hit over 280 max damage and packs 33% crushing blow and 30% attack along with a level 10 static on a base -10 speed weapon. A crappy one is not that difficult to obtain.
     
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    If you wanna reach 8 FPA, you should get a phaseblade.
    Lightsabre, Azurewrath, any high-ed PB runeword are all very good avenger weapons.
    My 1.09 avenger weapon was a cruel phase of evis. I dueled a bit with this char, and one-hit killed a lot.
    Now it´s possible for one to find a rare ethereal dimensional blade/crystal sword with:

    450% Enhanced damage
    +63 maximum damage
    +20 minimum damage
    +40 IAS <=- 8 FPA needs 50 IAS.... fits perfectly with Bloodfist
    Insert mod here
    Insert mod here

    and then upgrade it to an ETHEREAL PHASEBLADE INDESTRUCTIBLE!
     
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    vengeance damage was calculated only on base damage and was not affected by deadly strike in 1.09. i assume the same is true now :cheesy:
     
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    +63 max dmg cannot appear on rares, max is 20...

    The dream eth phaseblade would be one with
    450%ed 2 sockets 40%ias +20max +20str Or if you prefer a good AR bump
    300%ed fool´s 2 sockets 40% ias 20max 20str....
    These two been mentioned into quite a bunch of threads lately, they are something like a new holygrail :)...
     
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    Don't forget cold damage :thumbsup:
     
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    how would you rate ethereal glimmershreds as an avenger weapon?
     
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    memememe173 IncGamers Member

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    Etheral Throwing weapons still lose durability, at a 1/4 rate and it's mesured by quantity
     
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    Yah, but I figure the candle that burns twice as bright lasts half as long. Since ethereal glimmers seem to only be of use to Vengeance paladins, I figure that they cannot be too costly.
     
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    tested a 261% stormlash, but i didnt see a real difference to my nords. Also the 329% nords does 300 more damage than a higher damage heavens light +3, think its due to the wartravellers added damage (or a displaying bug?).
    Calculation (?):
    lvl 17 vengeance not calculated ...
    nord 329: +15-25 * 4,3 *~10= 675-1075 WT damage ???
    heavens 260?: +15-25 * 3,6 *~10= 540-900 WT damage ???

    Anyway, got ~500 mf on my avenger now, without mf charms (->no added ias)
     

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