Best and fastest non-twink PVM class?
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Capn_Fubar
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Irongrave said:
Hammerdin
Windy
Bone Necro
Capn_Fubar
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Fire Druids are going to have a lot of problems.Irongrave said:
Hammer, Conc, Vigor, B. Aim, Holy Shield. in that order.
Fluffballer
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That's neither the quickest way to max your hammer damage nor the quickest way to max your damage as an untwinked-- likely melee-- hammerdin. Check out the hammerdin guides in the pally forum. And I 100% agree with hammers and windy, but think a summon necro is as good or better than an untwinked bone necro. Act II is a pain with the magic immunes.Capn_Fubar said:
F1R3STR1D3R
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Why do people use twink instead of tweak?
twink: In the gay slang, twink is a term that describes a young or young-looking male, usually of slender build with little to no body hair. Often they are described as blond-haired and blue eyed. To many gay men, the term is pejorative and implies shallowness and stupidity. Twinks are typically contrasted with bears.
tweak: Putting a little extra on a move... a bigger arc, extending board farther, etc.
twink: In the gay slang, twink is a term that describes a young or young-looking male, usually of slender build with little to no body hair. Often they are described as blond-haired and blue eyed. To many gay men, the term is pejorative and implies shallowness and stupidity. Twinks are typically contrasted with bears.
tweak: Putting a little extra on a move... a bigger arc, extending board farther, etc.
Capn_Fubar
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I was giving him a quick and dirty guide to the skills in general. He will lvl quickly, so there is no real reason to worry about maxing dmg at every lvl.Fluffballer said:
Thanks guys.... I started him last night with my friend and he PLed me to 17.
I would kill for a Herald though
Thank christ that Insight rune word is so cheap... 700% mana regen from RalTirTalSol
I actually tried a summoner but what I am finding is that Hell is near impossible without gear.
My necro is level 72 and I have a merc of the same level, one of the might aura ones, with an ethereal thresher.
24 RS, 25 SM, ~20 CE. I have Summon resist at 3 I believe and I also use Decrep and Amp Damage...
Andariel kills most of my skels even with decrep, I have to go back to earlier WPs to get more... but I kill her on the second time around.
I'm afraid to try Duriel.
I would kill for a Herald though
Thank christ that Insight rune word is so cheap... 700% mana regen from RalTirTalSol
I actually tried a summoner but what I am finding is that Hell is near impossible without gear.
My necro is level 72 and I have a merc of the same level, one of the might aura ones, with an ethereal thresher.
24 RS, 25 SM, ~20 CE. I have Summon resist at 3 I believe and I also use Decrep and Amp Damage...
Andariel kills most of my skels even with decrep, I have to go back to earlier WPs to get more... but I kill her on the second time around.
I'm afraid to try Duriel.
Tarantella
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Hmmmm......
I'd just like to say that Ive twinked in the past.You try these things once.Im not proud of it but I dont feel guilty about it either.These things just happen.
I'd just like to say that Ive twinked in the past.You try these things once.Im not proud of it but I dont feel guilty about it either.These things just happen.
in reference to durial
Wouldnt Iron Maiden own Durial? Thats just what makes sense to meIrongrave said:Thanks guys.... I started him last night with my friend and he PLed me to 17.
I would kill for a Herald though
Thank christ that Insight rune word is so cheap... 700% mana regen from RalTirTalSol
I actually tried a summoner but what I am finding is that Hell is near impossible without gear.
My necro is level 72 and I have a merc of the same level, one of the might aura ones, with an ethereal thresher.
24 RS, 25 SM, ~20 CE. I have Summon resist at 3 I believe and I also use Decrep and Amp Damage...
Andariel kills most of my skels even with decrep, I have to go back to earlier WPs to get more... but I kill her on the second time around.
I'm afraid to try Duriel.
F1R3STR1D3R
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Google.comBert said:How do you know gay slang? What does F1R3STR1D3R means in gay slang?
"define twink"
"define tweak"
"define twinking"
apparently there's a difference between twink and twinking
zeskelnec
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Up to know, the safest character I raised was a NL summon necro lvl 87 , soloed hell baal last night, with however a small change compared to guides.
Indeed they recommend generally to max CE which is totally useless at slvl 20 against Bosses (apart for Andy when there are dead bodies around her). CE remains mandatory anyway at low slvl.
Because a summon maxes Skeleton mastery, why not make mages and revives profit of this and play a decent role as supplementary meat shield and damage dealers VS decrep'ed bosses.
For untwinked, (whatever the definition is when I read this thread), you can decently get +4 to 7 skills items in summoning tree.
Only difficulty : Diablo in normal! Not enough skellies, I had no decrepify
Later in nightmare, I could even swap my equipement during the fight to wear ammu 35mf and chanceguards recently found, while skellies and revives were working decrep'ed Diablo. Only 4 skeletons died.
my Equipment at lvl 50 -60 was AFAIR: +4 all skills, +2 summon, +3 Smas (undead crown), +3 decrep, +1 P&B not uber as u can see.
Minimum numbers to achieve before entering hell
20 SMas
20 RS
10+ Mages (6 mages)
1 all golem
1+ GM
3+ SResist (to reach 56% resist) , after it is not worth the pts.
1-2 CE (to reach 4-5 yards AOE)
(1) bone spear (lost pts) I never use it
1 amp
1 decrep (8 sec in the end)
After you reached that, you can pump into
- Mages
- Golem Mastery
- at least 1 in Attract or confuse to add to crowd control
No lower resist: main killers are skellies
No pump in iron maiden : 50 % phys resist in hell
Strentgh: enough to wear equipment
DEX: 185+ TO GET 75% : I finally had homonculus dropped
Vit : the rest
Mana : NO, zero, absolutely not. Revives come later and with 6-7 revives your mana pool remains decent. CE is demanding, I used it in extreme situation when the minions were overloaded. Blue pots then.
Highly important : I used a defiance merc who ended with rockstopper.
Good luck
Indeed they recommend generally to max CE which is totally useless at slvl 20 against Bosses (apart for Andy when there are dead bodies around her). CE remains mandatory anyway at low slvl.
Because a summon maxes Skeleton mastery, why not make mages and revives profit of this and play a decent role as supplementary meat shield and damage dealers VS decrep'ed bosses.
For untwinked, (whatever the definition is when I read this thread), you can decently get +4 to 7 skills items in summoning tree.
Only difficulty : Diablo in normal! Not enough skellies, I had no decrepify
Later in nightmare, I could even swap my equipement during the fight to wear ammu 35mf and chanceguards recently found, while skellies and revives were working decrep'ed Diablo. Only 4 skeletons died.
my Equipment at lvl 50 -60 was AFAIR: +4 all skills, +2 summon, +3 Smas (undead crown), +3 decrep, +1 P&B not uber as u can see.
Minimum numbers to achieve before entering hell
20 SMas
20 RS
10+ Mages (6 mages)
1 all golem
1+ GM
3+ SResist (to reach 56% resist) , after it is not worth the pts.
1-2 CE (to reach 4-5 yards AOE)
(1) bone spear (lost pts) I never use it
1 amp
1 decrep (8 sec in the end)
After you reached that, you can pump into
- Mages
- Golem Mastery
- at least 1 in Attract or confuse to add to crowd control
No lower resist: main killers are skellies
No pump in iron maiden : 50 % phys resist in hell
Strentgh: enough to wear equipment
DEX: 185+ TO GET 75% : I finally had homonculus dropped
Vit : the rest
Mana : NO, zero, absolutely not. Revives come later and with 6-7 revives your mana pool remains decent. CE is demanding, I used it in extreme situation when the minions were overloaded. Blue pots then.
Highly important : I used a defiance merc who ended with rockstopper.
Good luck
Decrep and Clay golem are your friend. Andariel's poison can kill skellies pretty fast, but Duriel will be a pushover.Irongrave said:Thanks guys.... I started him last night with my friend and he PLed me to 17.
I would kill for a Herald though
Thank christ that Insight rune word is so cheap... 700% mana regen from RalTirTalSol
I actually tried a summoner but what I am finding is that Hell is near impossible without gear.
My necro is level 72 and I have a merc of the same level, one of the might aura ones, with an ethereal thresher.
24 RS, 25 SM, ~20 CE. I have Summon resist at 3 I believe and I also use Decrep and Amp Damage...
Andariel kills most of my skels even with decrep, I have to go back to earlier WPs to get more... but I kill her on the second time around.
I'm afraid to try Duriel.
Welp, got duriel down with little to no difficulty.bladesyz said:
It helped that I had a sorc friend that just FWed the hell out of him while I decrep'd him.
I guess I need more +skills really... Arm of King Leoric or Homunculus...
Hell Mephisto I was doing great on... then he used his charged bolt attack... from which I tried to run (-85% lightning... lol) and failed.
Hell Diablo seems like he would be pretty hard, but Hell Baal seems like it would be relatively easy, but just take a lot of time.
Any advice on fighting Diablo?
ALSO...
I have a completely unrelated question regarding my Hammerdin (now level 38)...
My merc is level 37, and he's a holy freeze... but his aura doesn't seem to be freezing stuff around him... it just makes him freeze whatever he's attacking.
I'm playing on Normal, does that have any bearing?
gorash
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i think ur thinking about duriels holy freeze aura? he has one which slows u down when fighting against him, thats what makes him hard in norm when u try to start a new char up.Irongrave said:
and insight doesn't give redemption, only phoenix will give that aura, insight gives that mana recharging aura which i forgot name after not playing ladder a while.