Bad Manners

[MarkGerken]

Bad Manners

I was wondering if anyone knows exactly what is bm, and why. I ask because i consider myself a GM dueler, but find myself being called bm on occasion, and want to cover my bases. First, with the obvious stuff (and my oppenions):

% obsorb
hacked items
action (ie: nk, bo kills, jumping someone, 2v1, ect.)
slow % gear
slow missle
-- All these i consider to be bm

And the less obvious:

dupped otems - 3/20/20's / 40/15's ect
%to cast off skill spells (life tap for example)
buggs (lvl 24 aura offf of ouble doomz)
+ to max resistances
non % absorb
magic damage reduction
dr
stack
Energy Shield and mana potting
thawing/antidote potions (prebuff, or while dueling)
-- These i'm not so sure of, i've heard different things about most of them. Now i'm sure your wondering why i put dr on the list. Its there because i view it on the same level as all damage reduction (magic/ele/other), +max resistances, and non % absorb (t-gods/other) since they're their equivilants only in differant attack forms, and since some of my most recent pvp buddies concider non % obsorb bm i figure i'd re-evaluate things.

Any thoughts on this?

 

[nickedoff]

Things I think are 'BM':

NKing
Townguarding, especially when I need to BO
BO-pking
Abusing the Fissure bug
Make a bear druid, just for sitting in town
Spamming bone walls in an effort to cause lag

Others of course, those are just ones that are on my mind when I'm dueling.
Not to say that I'm completely innocent, though.



A lot of things people say are BM are just BS.

'No spirit in NVN noob'
'No stack noob'
'Mindblast is bm'
'Lifetap is bm'
et cetera

DR isn't BM.
Blocking isn't BM.


Most parts of the game aren't BM.
If your character can be negated easily, you need to remake it or try another character

Otherwise, put up with it.

 

[kferny]

there was a poll up in the sticky awhile ago
its not there anymore but try searching it
its was basicly a list of what people on the forum considered bm

 

[HappyAssassin]

People consider anything BM that makes it tougher for them to win.

That said, there do seem to be standards in place, in a limited way. The best thing to do is simply ask: "Do you mind if I use a Tgods?" (for example) and then act accordingly. Generally if someone acts in a offensive way, I think its fine to beat them however you want.

 

[Ce Olba]

% obsorb

Stacked resistances>Absorb. Learn some basics. If you lose to someone because you deal low damage, that's most likely just high resistances. Absorb would literally mean "to take something into itself", in D2's case, _healing_. Healing means "gain lifeforce", not "lose little lifeforce".

slow % gear

Why? Because your build depends on speed? Do not make such weak builds then.

slow missle

Why? Because you're ranged? You should know that you will get Slow Missiled at a time. Also, only a few builds use Slow Missiles, mainly amazons, but they're easily killable, if not, remake.

dupped otems - 3/20/20's / 40/15's ect

Why? Because they make certain builds possible or stronger? Or because you cannot afford those while others can? Let me make it clear, anything over the value of an IST is most likely a dupe. Thus your builds must be pretty crappy, if you do not use any items worth more than an IST. Or selffound stuff only.

%to cast off skill spells (life tap for example)

Got owned by too many smiters, maybe?

buggs (lvl 24 aura offf of ouble doomz)

Your example is _not_ a bug, that's how auras from items work, I'm sorry.

+ to max resistances

Not another bunch of these whiners who play a orber and cry about dual ravens. So funny. Seriously, if your build cannot handle +max% resistances, it's a weak one.

non % absorb

Hooray for -140 to your damage that's already several hundreds.

magic damage reduction

Now this is totally useless, you simply cannot effectively make the magical attacks deal nothing, except if you use a 95% ES sorc.

dr

Too many people beat your weak melee char, maybe?

stack

Why? Your foher got beaten, maybe? Your cold sorc got beaten?

Energy Shield and mana potting

You shouldn't let the ES sorcs escape, then their manapots are useless.

thawing/antidote potions (prebuff, or while dueling)

Lies. If one decides not to carry around Death's set gloves, but to use antidotes instead, it's fine. However, during duels it can be this or that. I wouldn't consider thaws BM in any situation, as none of the cold damage is over time.

-- These i'm not so sure of, i've heard different things about most of them. Now i'm sure your wondering why i put dr on the list. Its there because i view it on the same level as all damage reduction (magic/ele/other), +max resistances, and non % absorb (t-gods/other) since they're their equivilants only in differant attack forms, and since some of my most recent pvp buddies concider non % obsorb bm i figure i'd re-evaluate things.

Any thoughts on this?

I think most of the "less obvious ones" that you listed are mostly bull****. No offense however.

BM comes from words "Bad Manners". It's a way some person acts, not an item. Items cannot act, thus they cannot have manners either. Some basic English please?

99% of people think that whatever beats them is BM, but that's because they're too sad to need an excuse to why they lose. Heck, some people even whine about Leap, like this.

me: 1-0
XDLOLBBQNOOB: ROFL JUMP NOOB!!
me: yeah, right. And moon is very cheesey.
XDLOLBBQNOOB: ROFL CANNOT WIN WITHOUT LEAP!!
me: whine more, pathetic.
XDLOLBBQNOOB: LOL U EZ ROFLMAO I HAD SEX WITH YOUR MOM JUST A WHILE AGO!!
me: yea, whatever. Just die away.
*XDLOLBBQNOOB has left the game*

Well, to conclude: Things that people do, not _use_ can be BM, such as:

NK'ing
Trashtalking
Acting like a total jerk
Heal potting
Juving

I consider people who whine over a skill or an item weak. However, sometimes I like to make up a good show over some _strategy_ people use, such as a boner who makes up a screen of bonewalls around of him and camps in them and then thinks he pwns all when he can beat me 2-0.

Oh, just to point out:
Whatever I commented about the things are NOT meant as a personal attack, but is rather exactly my opinion, which is what you asked for. If you do not like it, do not ask for it.

 

[Veilside]

to be honest there's no such thing as bm, only idiotic morons that use momas visa to buy items complain about people being "bm". sure absorb and stacked resists hurt elemental chars, sure lifetap and grief makes smiters very, very hard but who gives a damn. if you can't beat a character with your current character and/or setup, change it. and if you actually care about someone calling you "bm" then you really need to get yourself some self confidence and grow up a bit, people WILL insult you on bnet there's no getting around it, all you can do is ignore them and keep repeatedly beating their characters. Now yes, there are some things that are pretty lame like nking but who cares, there's always an easy solution around people being bm.

 

[HappyAssassin]

^^ So basically, any none melee char is unviable (excluding boners and hammerdins).

Dont make any kind of Sorc, a Trapper, a Javazon or a Foher, because if you do you deserve to have no chance.

I dont like the all or nothing version of BM, cause it removes some fun duels from the equation. Even so, with the exception of Sorcs, all chars should be able to hurt a sorber, if not, choose a build that can.

 

[pedu]

My list of bm:

Over-absorbing (as in char takes 0 damage or heals) Plain stupid, duel looses point.
Nking
Townguarding (you can always re-enter so technically not bm)
Potting (healing/rejuv) Its a duel ffs.
BO kill

That would be about it.
Also, i never duel vs exile smiters but thats just me. The damn thing is just too overpowered.

 

[SoAmazing]

Plz don't say slow missiles is BM :\ Cuz' my ama loves to pee of sorc players that way

 

[disc]

there is no definitive answer to "what is bm?" because everyone has a different interpretation sp its a waste of your own time trying to purse the answer. egnore ppls claims of you being bm cos you use this or dont do that its a load of bull. enter game host squelch in that order and you will not look back.

 

[Darksteel]

Abusing the Fissure bug

Can you explain this?

 

[nickedoff]

Can you explain this?

Fissure (other skills? doubt it) disappears when you enter town, even though it's still active.
In other words, there are people (and I shouldn't complain, I just made my newest MLD fissure druid) who cast fissure outside of town with a lot of -res and +%fire damage equipment on. They then run back into town and NK/PK/Badly damage anyone running out of or into town.

Very funny when a WW barb WWs into town.
A lot of people think you're just desynching, and it only looks like you're in town, so they keep running out.

Outrageous chain reactions.

 

[Darksteel]

Fissure (other skills? doubt it) disappears when you enter town, even though it's still active.
In other words, there are people (and I shouldn't complain, I just made my newest MLD fissure druid) who cast fissure outside of town with a lot of -res and +%fire damage equipment on. They then run back into town and NK/PK/Badly damage anyone running out of or into town.

Very funny when a WW barb WWs into town.
A lot of people think you're just desynching, and it only looks like you're in town, so they keep running out.

Outrageous chain reactions.

Heh thats pretty funny I never knew that. I got a shaman druid myself and although I am strongly against bm type stuff this should come in handy against those damn townhuggers =)