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Baal compared to Pindle

Discussion in 'Single Player Forum' started by Sint Nikolaas, Jun 9, 2005.

  1. Sint Nikolaas

    Sint Nikolaas IncGamers Member

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    Baal compared to Pindle

    Well, it's done, I did 50 baalruns to counter the 500 pindle runs I did about a week ago. Why 50? Well, 50 baalruns took me about the same time as 500 pindle runs.
    I will list all the stuff first and then compare the best finds witht the best finds from the pindle runs.

    2. Milabrega's Orb
    6. Sander's Superstition, Howltusk, Crowcaw
    7. Ormus' Robes (inferno)
    8. Cranebeak, Sigon's Wrap
    9. Naj's Circlet, Blacktongue, Goldwrap
    11. Skin of the Vipermagi, Rogue's Bow
    13. Angelic Wings, Clegleaws Tooth, Tancred's Crowbill
    15. The Gavel of Pain, Tal Rasha's Fine-spun Cloth, Sureshrill Frost
    16. Trang-Oul's Claws, Crainte Vomir, Credendum, Sureshrill Frost
    17. Isenharts Cage, Cathan's Mesh, Gheed's Fortune, The Diggler, Soulflay
    18. Rattlecage
    19. Cathan's Mesh, Whistan's Guard
    20. Eaglehorn, Hellcast, Iratha's Coil
    21. Sigon's Sabot, Isenhart's Parry, The Ward
    22. Pompeii's Wrath, Bloodrise
    24. Ribcracker, Tal Rasha's Fine-spun Cloth
    25. Sazabi's Mental Sheath, Widowmaker, Venomward, Goldwrap, Cathan's Seal x2
    26. Isenharts Case, Duskdeep
    27. Milabrega's Rod, Milabrega's Orb
    28. Venomward
    29. Warshrike, Hwanin's Splendor
    32. Lance of Yaggai, Culwen's Point
    34. Tancred's Spine, Isenhart's Case, Athena's Wrath
    35. Boneslayer Blade, Griswolds Heart, Thunderstroke, Sanders Taboo, Nord's Tenderizer
    36. Executioners Justice, Rakescar
    37. Tal Rasha's Horadric Crest, Iceblink
    38. Civerb's Wand
    39. Trang Oul's Guise, Buriza-Do Kyanon
    40. Soul Harvest, Cloudcrack, Shadowfang, Sazabi's Mental Sheath, Cathan's Seal
    41. Blastbark, Tancred's Spine
    42. Skullsplitter, Darkglow, Hellplague, The Battle Branch, Deathspade
    43. Berzerker's Hauberk, Arcanna's Head, Gleamscythe, Arkaine's Valor
    44. Arctic Horn
    45. Sanders Superstition
    46. Tancred's Skull, Doomslinger
    47. Immortal Kings Forge
    48. Rockfleece
    49. Cathan's Visage
    50. Alma Negra, Hwanin's Blessing

    So.. pretty good findings here. I'll list the best:
    7. Ormus' Robes
    8. Cranebeak
    17. Gheed's Fortune
    20. Eaglehorn
    29. Warshrike
    35. Thunderstroke
    36. Executioner's Justice
    39. TO's Guise
    43. Arkaine's Valor
    50. Alma Negra

    To remember, my best findings from Pindle are below.. with their run number.
    That's it. Quite a long list, but also alot of useless stuff. So, the best things put aside:
    41. Ormus' Robes
    155. Andariel's Visage
    183. Steel Pillar
    202. Dracul's Grasp
    317. Taebaek's Glory
    346. Lycander's Flank
    426. Viperfork
    458. Gerke's Sanctuary

    It's Baal 10 - 8 Pindle. Both had items in the list that aren't high classed but very usefull and both had a load of crap in there too. To me they score about the same. Make your own judging out of this. Remember though, not all these items came from Baal himself, some of them came from a random bosspack somewhere in the chamber.

    To me? Well, I just enjoy running Baal more then running Pindle. Pindle is faster and presumably better, but now I've done this comparisation (I know it's not that big.. only 500 / 50) I'll stick to Baal. More diversion, you actually have to do something and Baal can drop everything in the game (which matters for my grail).
    Have fun you MF'ers. May this help you out.

    EDIT: Here is the pindle thread. The Baal runs were also done by my level 96 sorc with 515 MF.
     
  2. gravitysrainbow

    gravitysrainbow IncGamers Member

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    Just a thought though- is it "right" or however you want to put it to attribute the drops from the boss packs to baal? I'm not exactly sure either way.

    i've read the posts and articles and i know what pindle is supposed to be. but in my D2 career, i've had better luck from baal than i have from pindleskin... unfortunately, since pindle is right there.

    anyway- good job running!
     
  3. maxgerin

    maxgerin IncGamers Member

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    Nice job, Sint! :thumbsup:

    As for me, I'll go with Pindy any day.
    Sure he can be boring to death, but I did find a good number of TC87 items from him.
    And you don't risk killing your character that much compared to Baal.

    There are only 2 items Pindy cannot drop right? Azurewrath and Tyrael's?

    Good luck to your future runs! :)

    --maxgerin
     
  4. kabal

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    I must say that I'm a little surprised at the results. IMO you had some pretty good luck with Baal while your Pindle runs are more in line with what probability dictates. I think that if you take a larger sample of runs (50 Baal runs might take 3 hours, but it's still a small sample size) you'll see that Pindle really pulls away in terms of number of high TC sets/uniques dropped. If someone can dig up the results thread for the last MFO here, we can compare the results in each category.

    Btw, are the Baal runs for the MFO at the other place? :)
     
  5. spec

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    just a few questions:
    did you go out of your way to kill boss packs in the wsk?
    what player setting(s)?
    what was the average time per run?
     
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    Obviously a minnion drop is not truely a baal drop, but if you are simply looking for items then its items/time that you are usually interested in. In this case to compare baal runs to pindle runs, you should count minion drops and other boss pack drops along the way.

    When scoring for MFOs, usually only baal and his 5 minion packs count towards the baal category.

    Edit: Nice info, thanks
     
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    Pindle cannot drop arachnid mesh either. He can drop everything else but those 3.
     
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    Interesting work Sint!

    On a side note, the character you use will have a huge effect on the results. For example, a Hammerdin with Enigma can run Baal very quickly and safely, but he will be pretty much incapable of running Pindle. So logically, for that character it makes much more sense to run Baal. With a sorc, as you found, the race is probably pretty close.
     
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    I think you were pretty lucky with that TC 87 in only 50 runs from Baal. From my experience Pindle drops better, but thats mainly true for TC87 items.
    Another difference is that Pindle runs are more safe and you can easily do them while watching TV or some other light entertainment, but Baal runs take a little more concentration.

    Nice comparison, but I think you need more runs to be conclusive :) Good luck!
     
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    Hmm, good information. I honestly don't think I'd done 50 baal runs in all my characters combined (I have very few Mat/Pat/Guardians... used to play HC and they died off, now have lots of half-finished chars in NM or midHell)

    To me, Baal is pretty scary, he's likely to hit my sorc with that cold V and if it gets pushing her back and then re-hitting her, it's dangerous. WSK is really bad with the OK's for any melee, and the gloams are bad for anyone with low hps.

    I wonder if my high-dex blocking builds are more dangerous than a high-vit no-blocking build would be; (talking sorcs/necros here mostly).
     
  11. Derrick1001

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    I personally keep dex base and pump vit as much as possible. I don't really have any problems that way. For Glooms, remember that Lightsabers, Thundergod's Vigor, and Guardian Angel are all good for keeping the lightening damage in a managable range.
     
  12. Sint Nikolaas

    Sint Nikolaas IncGamers Member

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    1. No, I teleport trough the Keep levels and only kill some random (easy killable) bosspacks that are within the chamber.
    2. Baal's minions on p8, Baal himself on p1 with his drop on p8 again :D
    3. I'm not sure here, I did about 10 runs before this actually started and it came down to about 5 minutes per run. Then I picked my 500 pindle runs, made that up for about 250 minutes and set the number of baalruns at 50 to achieve the same time. Obviously I ran a little relaxter now.. but for the comparing results that doesn't matter much.

    I've seen a couple of people say this. When I run baal, I can't just kill baal. Same thing with pindle, you also kill the undead around him.
    I see both the runs as ''MF-runs'' pindle has a really short run where you don't encounter more enemies beside him and his crew. If you do a baal run you encounter alot more monsters beside baal. IMO everything in the run counts.
    True, in the MFO only baal and his minions are counted towards the baal category, but that's because the WSK is counted in the lvl 85 catergory. If I want to compare my baalruns with my pindleruns, I compare EACH drop.

    IIRC from the ''best'' drops, only Eaglehorn, Warshrike and Thunderstroke aren't dropped by baal.

    EDIT: @ whommy 2 below: Yep he's right :) a bit cheesy, however I could finish baal off on p8 aswell and since I do his minions on p8 I don't see the point in giving baal gazillion hp.
     
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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that works. Once the monster spawns as P1, he'll stay P1 even if you change the setting midfight.

    Otherwise, good to hear that Baal drops good stuff, I've yet to see it :lol:
     
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    You're wrong. :)

    The hitpoints and experience are determined at the time that a monster spawns. However, its item drops are determined when it dies. So, if you spawn a monster at a low players setting and then kill it at a higher one, you fight the low HP monster and get players 1 experience, but a players 8 drop. It is generally considered cheesy in that it exploits game mechanics.
     
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    Well, you learn something new everyday I suppose. Thanks for correcting me whomhead :)
     
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    I thought that max drops from bosses was somewhere in the /p5 range anyway...
     

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