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Avenger Assassin

Discussion in 'Assassin' started by HellsHarlequin, Feb 7, 2004.

  1. HellsHarlequin

    HellsHarlequin IncGamers Member

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    Avenger Assassin

    Never played Assassin Before, so this is my first attemp at it. I have a decent avenger paladin and I got the idea of making an assassin avenger. I haven't worked through anything, but it would look something like this:

    20 Phoenix Stike
    10+ Fists of Fire
    20 Claws of Thunder
    10+ Blades of Ice
    Unknown Finishing move, maybe Dragon Flight
    10 Fade/Burst of Speed?
    10 Weapons Block

    Anyone got any thoughts on this?
     
  2. Anidem

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    No CM, Forget your AR and when u do ht it will suk in terms of phsyical damage.
     
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    how is that an avenger assassin? an avenger paladin uses vengeance or an elemental zealot uses zeal + elemental damage gear. You're just renaming an obvious MA assassin build, sir.

    If you wanted to build an "avenger" assassin, get a gimmershred and + elemental dmg + chance to cast gear, use Venom and use Dragon Talon.
     
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    ~

    He might be talking about using a "kingslayer" weapon, it does give +1 to that skill, and it might work when releasing a charge. Not sure at all.
     
  5. HellsHarlequin

    HellsHarlequin IncGamers Member

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    When I said "Avenger Assassin" I was not being so literal as you all are. All I was saying was that Vengence uses the three resistances skills to add up the elemental damage, and I was wondering if Phoenix strike + the three Charge up synergies would make for a viable build. No need to accost me.
     
  6. Lunatic

    Lunatic IncGamers Member

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    You sir haven't even tried making such a build. I made a sin like that who only put 1 point into CM , and she had almost 7k AR in the end.

    I used the following skill deplacement.
    20 FoF
    20 CoT
    20 BoI
    20 PS (I used the 3 ele charges , not PS)
    1 DF
    All shadow skills except venom and Fade 1 point.

    After you hit lvl 83 , when everything is maxed , you can put more points into CM if you like , or get a better tank and put some more points into SM.

    Now the equipment I used.
    Harlequin (UM)
    Highlord's (more phys dmg = more leech)
    2 * bartucs (switched to 2 * ethereal ones after lvl 69)
    Chains of honor armor (wire fleece)
    crafted gloves. (+2 MA , 3% LL , 20% IAS , 20 life , 7% CB , 27% fire resist , ...)
    1 raven (20/249)
    1 dual leech ring from classic (yes it's a dupe ring , but it's a nice one) (7%ML , 6% LL , 10x AR , 15% all resist , and alittle mana)
    Tgods (the +max resist helps alot more then getting alittle more %DR and %LL from strings)
    Gore riders.

    As for charms I used 6 * +1 MA skill charms , annihilus and 5 * life / resist sc's to fill up the gaps in my resist. That way I can use my cube + 2 books and still have 2 * 4 room left to pick up some items.

    I had 75 / 85 / 6x / 6x resist with this equipment , 20 lightning absorb and 20% cold. And she really kicked *** in everthing around 5 player games and less. Above the killing speed went alittle less , but then again , all characters have this problem. :)
     
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    HellsHarlequin IncGamers Member

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    Thanks for the help. I was wondering if I should put points into Burst of Speed or Fade? I can't decide if I'd want the extra resistance or speed. and what about Weapons block?
     
  8. Lunatic

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    If you're going to use any of the 3 elemental charge-ups you need to use BoS if you want to get the max speed. If you have around +9 shadow skills in total 1 point in WB will suffice. getting it up to lvl 26 for 60% block isn't really worth it IMHO. For pvm it isn't that is. Unless you have enough spare points.
     
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    Hey Lunatic, I been looking for a guide on this build for quite sometime. Everyone post trapsins and TS-around build. Back in 1.09 I made a PS assi in HC she made it to 60+ been killed by a hidra-sorc PK. Few questions:

    - What is your main finisher, DF? Isn't it 1 point too little for the chances to hit?
    - I have the 2 bartucs but many of the other equipment seems expensive. Are these things must have for this build?
    - Do you use a merc? which?
    - What is your str/dex/life/mana?
    - When are you going to post a complete guide?



     
  10. HellsHarlequin

    HellsHarlequin IncGamers Member

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    After a bit of playing, I was wondering if cutting the FoF out of the build would hurt too much. I was thinking:

    BoI: 20
    CoT: 20
    Phoenix Strike: 20
    Dragon Flight: 1
    Burst of Speed: 6
    Weapons Block: 10
    Shadow: 20
    11 Prerequises

    108 Points

    I have two questions however. One may be a stupid question, one may not. First, which shadow do I max? One would think the shadow master, but if I maxed Shadow Warrior I could have her use BoI while I use CoT, or vice Versa. Secondly, what about shaeled Jade Talons? they seem to have roughly the same +skills, but Jade Talons have more damage and a hellava lot more resistance.
     
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    You can get by with lower equipment ofcourse. I don't know what you can and can't get but here's some alternative equipment that will work ok I guess.

    Helmet
    Rockstopper (this helmet is very underrated , but it's quite nice)
    Talrasha's mask (the same as above)
    Stealskull.
    Peasant crown.

    Amu
    Mara's.
    any +2 sin amu with resist.
    eye of etlich (this one helps your BoI with the freezing too)
    a plain +2 sin amu

    Armor.
    Smoke armor (Nef + Lum)
    Lionheart (Hel + Lum + Fal)
    Vipermagi (the resist and the +skill help alot)
    Duriel's shell (this armor is very underrated too)

    Gloves.
    Anything with 20% IAS really. Since with 2 bartucs you need a lvl 9 BoS + 20% IAS in order to hit the max speed with FoF , CoT or BoI.

    Belt.
    Wilhelms pride.
    Nightsmoke (No joke , the 50% dmg goes mana will fill up your mana orb , which means no need for ML:))
    Strings.
    Tgods (this belt is probally the best belt to go for , if you have access to it)
    Credendum looks ok too , although I would pick wilhelms over it)

    Rings.
    I would try to get a raven , a low one isn't pricey at all. For your second ring try to get something with some LL and some resist is possible. I think resist is more importent then the actuall leech. You can use cobra strike from time to time if you need leech , resist is always the same , and can't be adjusted that fast.

    Boots.
    Waterwalks are quite nice. They can add up to 105 life (65 life + 3 * 15 from dex)
    Gore rider's shouldn't be that hard to get either.
    Some rare boots with 30% run , nice resist are ok too I guess.

    Charms.
    Get some resist charms to fill up the gaps. I cannot stress enough about the importance of getting good resist. After that your main concern is life charms.

    About the guide thing , perhaps I will write one soon. It was a fun build which could kill just about everything in the game. But I'm busy atm so can't write it now. ;)
     
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    The shadow warrior still isn't to bright. By the time she charges 3 charges you released 3 times already. It's just not worth it. A SM tanks alot better , and uses MB / CoS too from time to time (which can save your ***).

    Bartucs are superior to Jade in just about every way. The only time I would pick Jade over bartucs if my resist is crippled. But the anya quest + armor + charms usually give me enough resist already. Which means I can choose bartucs over Jade.
     
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    Thank you, Lunatic! I actually have most of the things you mentioned. About the shadow, my trapsin uses a mazed shadow amster and its amazing. I don;t know how much eleemnt resist it has but it seems a lot. A keeper.

     
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    Well the thing is you won't have that much spare points unless you want to take your sin over lvl 90. With lvl 83 and 1 point in the shadow tree (except fade and venom) + max skills you're done. After that you can either put the rest of your points into CM , WB or SM really. It really depends on the situation.
     

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