Avenger Assassin

HellsHarlequin

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Avenger Assassin

Never played Assassin Before, so this is my first attemp at it. I have a decent avenger paladin and I got the idea of making an assassin avenger. I haven't worked through anything, but it would look something like this:

20 Phoenix Stike
10+ Fists of Fire
20 Claws of Thunder
10+ Blades of Ice
Unknown Finishing move, maybe Dragon Flight
10 Fade/Burst of Speed?
10 Weapons Block

Anyone got any thoughts on this?
 

Trance757

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how is that an avenger assassin? an avenger paladin uses vengeance or an elemental zealot uses zeal + elemental damage gear. You're just renaming an obvious MA assassin build, sir.

If you wanted to build an "avenger" assassin, get a gimmershred and + elemental dmg + chance to cast gear, use Venom and use Dragon Talon.
 

MrGoth

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He might be talking about using a "kingslayer" weapon, it does give +1 to that skill, and it might work when releasing a charge. Not sure at all.
 

HellsHarlequin

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When I said "Avenger Assassin" I was not being so literal as you all are. All I was saying was that Vengence uses the three resistances skills to add up the elemental damage, and I was wondering if Phoenix strike + the three Charge up synergies would make for a viable build. No need to accost me.
 

Lunatic

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Anidem said:
No CM, Forget your AR and when u do ht it will suk in terms of phsyical damage.
You sir haven't even tried making such a build. I made a sin like that who only put 1 point into CM , and she had almost 7k AR in the end.

I used the following skill deplacement.
20 FoF
20 CoT
20 BoI
20 PS (I used the 3 ele charges , not PS)
1 DF
All shadow skills except venom and Fade 1 point.

After you hit lvl 83 , when everything is maxed , you can put more points into CM if you like , or get a better tank and put some more points into SM.

Now the equipment I used.
Harlequin (UM)
Highlord's (more phys dmg = more leech)
2 * bartucs (switched to 2 * ethereal ones after lvl 69)
Chains of honor armor (wire fleece)
crafted gloves. (+2 MA , 3% LL , 20% IAS , 20 life , 7% CB , 27% fire resist , ...)
1 raven (20/249)
1 dual leech ring from classic (yes it's a dupe ring , but it's a nice one) (7%ML , 6% LL , 10x AR , 15% all resist , and alittle mana)
Tgods (the +max resist helps alot more then getting alittle more %DR and %LL from strings)
Gore riders.

As for charms I used 6 * +1 MA skill charms , annihilus and 5 * life / resist sc's to fill up the gaps in my resist. That way I can use my cube + 2 books and still have 2 * 4 room left to pick up some items.

I had 75 / 85 / 6x / 6x resist with this equipment , 20 lightning absorb and 20% cold. And she really kicked *** in everthing around 5 player games and less. Above the killing speed went alittle less , but then again , all characters have this problem. :)
 

HellsHarlequin

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Thanks for the help. I was wondering if I should put points into Burst of Speed or Fade? I can't decide if I'd want the extra resistance or speed. and what about Weapons block?
 

Lunatic

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If you're going to use any of the 3 elemental charge-ups you need to use BoS if you want to get the max speed. If you have around +9 shadow skills in total 1 point in WB will suffice. getting it up to lvl 26 for 60% block isn't really worth it IMHO. For pvm it isn't that is. Unless you have enough spare points.
 

whathappen

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Hey Lunatic, I been looking for a guide on this build for quite sometime. Everyone post trapsins and TS-around build. Back in 1.09 I made a PS assi in HC she made it to 60+ been killed by a hidra-sorc PK. Few questions:

- What is your main finisher, DF? Isn't it 1 point too little for the chances to hit?
- I have the 2 bartucs but many of the other equipment seems expensive. Are these things must have for this build?
- Do you use a merc? which?
- What is your str/dex/life/mana?
- When are you going to post a complete guide?



Lunatic said:
You sir haven't even tried making such a build. I made a sin like that who only put 1 point into CM , and she had almost 7k AR in the end.

I used the following skill deplacement.
20 FoF
20 CoT
20 BoI
20 PS (I used the 3 ele charges , not PS)
1 DF
All shadow skills except venom and Fade 1 point.

After you hit lvl 83 , when everything is maxed , you can put more points into CM if you like , or get a better tank and put some more points into SM.

Now the equipment I used.
Harlequin (UM)
Highlord's (more phys dmg = more leech)
2 * bartucs (switched to 2 * ethereal ones after lvl 69)
Chains of honor armor (wire fleece)
crafted gloves. (+2 MA , 3% LL , 20% IAS , 20 life , 7% CB , 27% fire resist , ...)
1 raven (20/249)
1 dual leech ring from classic (yes it's a dupe ring , but it's a nice one) (7%ML , 6% LL , 10x AR , 15% all resist , and alittle mana)
Tgods (the +max resist helps alot more then getting alittle more %DR and %LL from strings)
Gore riders.

As for charms I used 6 * +1 MA skill charms , annihilus and 5 * life / resist sc's to fill up the gaps in my resist. That way I can use my cube + 2 books and still have 2 * 4 room left to pick up some items.

I had 75 / 85 / 6x / 6x resist with this equipment , 20 lightning absorb and 20% cold. And she really kicked *** in everthing around 5 player games and less. Above the killing speed went alittle less , but then again , all characters have this problem. :)
 

HellsHarlequin

Diabloii.Net Member
After a bit of playing, I was wondering if cutting the FoF out of the build would hurt too much. I was thinking:

BoI: 20
CoT: 20
Phoenix Strike: 20
Dragon Flight: 1
Burst of Speed: 6
Weapons Block: 10
Shadow: 20
11 Prerequises

108 Points

I have two questions however. One may be a stupid question, one may not. First, which shadow do I max? One would think the shadow master, but if I maxed Shadow Warrior I could have her use BoI while I use CoT, or vice Versa. Secondly, what about shaeled Jade Talons? they seem to have roughly the same +skills, but Jade Talons have more damage and a hellava lot more resistance.
 

Lunatic

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whathappen said:
Hey Lunatic, I been looking for a guide on this build for quite sometime. Everyone post trapsins and TS-around build. Back in 1.09 I made a PS assi in HC she made it to 60+ been killed by a hidra-sorc PK. Few questions:

- What is your main finisher, DF? Isn't it 1 point too little for the chances to hit?
- I have the 2 bartucs but many of the other equipment seems expensive. Are these things must have for this build?
- Do you use a merc? which?
- What is your str/dex/life/mana?
- When are you going to post a complete guide?
You can get by with lower equipment ofcourse. I don't know what you can and can't get but here's some alternative equipment that will work ok I guess.

Helmet
Rockstopper (this helmet is very underrated , but it's quite nice)
Talrasha's mask (the same as above)
Stealskull.
Peasant crown.

Amu
Mara's.
any +2 sin amu with resist.
eye of etlich (this one helps your BoI with the freezing too)
a plain +2 sin amu

Armor.
Smoke armor (Nef + Lum)
Lionheart (Hel + Lum + Fal)
Vipermagi (the resist and the +skill help alot)
Duriel's shell (this armor is very underrated too)

Gloves.
Anything with 20% IAS really. Since with 2 bartucs you need a lvl 9 BoS + 20% IAS in order to hit the max speed with FoF , CoT or BoI.

Belt.
Wilhelms pride.
Nightsmoke (No joke , the 50% dmg goes mana will fill up your mana orb , which means no need for ML:))
Strings.
Tgods (this belt is probally the best belt to go for , if you have access to it)
Credendum looks ok too , although I would pick wilhelms over it)

Rings.
I would try to get a raven , a low one isn't pricey at all. For your second ring try to get something with some LL and some resist is possible. I think resist is more importent then the actuall leech. You can use cobra strike from time to time if you need leech , resist is always the same , and can't be adjusted that fast.

Boots.
Waterwalks are quite nice. They can add up to 105 life (65 life + 3 * 15 from dex)
Gore rider's shouldn't be that hard to get either.
Some rare boots with 30% run , nice resist are ok too I guess.

Charms.
Get some resist charms to fill up the gaps. I cannot stress enough about the importance of getting good resist. After that your main concern is life charms.

About the guide thing , perhaps I will write one soon. It was a fun build which could kill just about everything in the game. But I'm busy atm so can't write it now. ;)
 

Lunatic

Diabloii.Net Member
HellsHarlequin said:
After a bit of playing, I was wondering if cutting the FoF out of the build would hurt too much. I was thinking:

BoI: 20
CoT: 20
Phoenix Strike: 20
Dragon Flight: 1
Burst of Speed: 6
Weapons Block: 10
Shadow: 20
11 Prerequises

108 Points

I have two questions however. One may be a stupid question, one may not. First, which shadow do I max? One would think the shadow master, but if I maxed Shadow Warrior I could have her use BoI while I use CoT, or vice Versa. Secondly, what about shaeled Jade Talons? they seem to have roughly the same +skills, but Jade Talons have more damage and a hellava lot more resistance.
The shadow warrior still isn't to bright. By the time she charges 3 charges you released 3 times already. It's just not worth it. A SM tanks alot better , and uses MB / CoS too from time to time (which can save your ***).

Bartucs are superior to Jade in just about every way. The only time I would pick Jade over bartucs if my resist is crippled. But the anya quest + armor + charms usually give me enough resist already. Which means I can choose bartucs over Jade.
 

whathappen

Diabloii.Net Member
Thank you, Lunatic! I actually have most of the things you mentioned. About the shadow, my trapsin uses a mazed shadow amster and its amazing. I don;t know how much eleemnt resist it has but it seems a lot. A keeper.

Lunatic said:
You can get by with lower equipment ofcourse. I don't know what you can and can't get but here's some alternative equipment that will work ok I guess.

Helmet
Rockstopper (this helmet is very underrated , but it's quite nice)
Talrasha's mask (the same as above)
Stealskull.
Peasant crown.

Amu
Mara's.
any +2 sin amu with resist.
eye of etlich (this one helps your BoI with the freezing too)
a plain +2 sin amu

Armor.
Smoke armor (Nef + Lum)
Lionheart (Hel + Lum + Fal)
Vipermagi (the resist and the +skill help alot)
Duriel's shell (this armor is very underrated too)

Gloves.
Anything with 20% IAS really. Since with 2 bartucs you need a lvl 9 BoS + 20% IAS in order to hit the max speed with FoF , CoT or BoI.

Belt.
Wilhelms pride.
Nightsmoke (No joke , the 50% dmg goes mana will fill up your mana orb , which means no need for ML:))
Strings.
Tgods (this belt is probally the best belt to go for , if you have access to it)
Credendum looks ok too , although I would pick wilhelms over it)

Rings.
I would try to get a raven , a low one isn't pricey at all. For your second ring try to get something with some LL and some resist is possible. I think resist is more importent then the actuall leech. You can use cobra strike from time to time if you need leech , resist is always the same , and can't be adjusted that fast.

Boots.
Waterwalks are quite nice. They can add up to 105 life (65 life + 3 * 15 from dex)
Gore rider's shouldn't be that hard to get either.
Some rare boots with 30% run , nice resist are ok too I guess.

Charms.
Get some resist charms to fill up the gaps. I cannot stress enough about the importance of getting good resist. After that your main concern is life charms.

About the guide thing , perhaps I will write one soon. It was a fun build which could kill just about everything in the game. But I'm busy atm so can't write it now. ;)
 

Lunatic

Diabloii.Net Member
Well the thing is you won't have that much spare points unless you want to take your sin over lvl 90. With lvl 83 and 1 point in the shadow tree (except fade and venom) + max skills you're done. After that you can either put the rest of your points into CM , WB or SM really. It really depends on the situation.
 
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