Auradin Debate for pk

[HorseGuts]

Auradin Debate for pk

Ok, this isn't going to be easy. I have many different scenarios i'd like to do, and I want some opinions and insight from all kinds of different people.

Here's a couple of my thoughts before I go explaining different setups.

Level 44 holy fire fully synergized combined with the aura conviction does a very nice amount of damage to enemies in pk. Now.. if someone stacks and absorbs.. i might be in a bit of trouble. I'm thinking of a way to achieve a secondary, maybe even two more sources of decent damage, while still able to survive different types of characters. All the following setups will be max block for sure.

Idea 1.

FoH / Aura build:

Dragon / dragon / Hoj
Coa (Lo Lo)
Tgods
Raven frost
Dwarf Star
mara's amulet
imps or infernostrides (for being almost immune to fire)
trangs, maybe some rare resist gloves

pcombat gcs.. + life / resist scs

skills = max res fire / max salvation / convic to 25 / rest to foh and it's synergy for optimization

this will get me some ok Foh damage, around 3.5k, maybe a little higher depending on my lvl. 95 light res, 95 fire resist, with absorb on both...

this seems like the build i wanna go with. i might also use rising sun or w/e that absorb fire amulet is... be amazing vs fire sorcs lol this it totally BM.

Idea 2.

Holy fire / Shock / Zeal build:

Dragon / dragon / HoJ pb/ Dream helm
Angelic amulet and ring
raven frost
dungo's
imps
dracs

probably offensive gcs here for conviction / and rest resist / life scs

skills = max res fire / res light / salvation / get convic to 25 with + skills, 1 holy shield , rest to zeal

this will give me the same fire aura damage.. but also an added 1-4xx light damage aura.... plus LOTS of zeal damage with conviction and 5fpa zeal.

lower dr... still good resists. i have a perf resist dragon, a nice dream... so yea.

i'm using dracs too, but it doesn't really leach that much, HoJ doesn't do much physical. Also, this character is very good for pvm with zeal........ and i pvm a little more than pvp, but this build will be more pvp oriented.

also, i won't be absorbing any elements here.

Idea 3.

Holy fire / shock / zeal / FoH build:

Dream helm / Dragon armor and shield / HoJ pb
Mara's amulet
Bk ring / or soj
Raven frost
Dungo or spider
imps
trang gloves probably... maybe dracs on occasion for the zeal

i'd use combats on this build... and res / life scs

skills = max res fire / res light / salvation / convic to lvl 25, and rest to foh / synergy optimization

i got around 1.3k damage FoH on this build.

the pluses here... are i get amazing zeal like build 2, but less ar, but a THIRD ATTACK!!! although it's kinda weak. Foh will only do 1.3, maybe 1.5k damage depending on lvl.

but the holy fire will be STRONG, and the holy shock adds a nice touch to the aura, and zeal. about 4-7k zeal damage, and conviction on top.




so those are my ideas.... can you guys please help me decide?


think about the most common pubby characters.... druids i think setup 3 would be best, maybe setup 2.

but overall i'm thinking setup 1 or 3....


anyways, help me out chaps!!

thanks in advance

*cheers*

 

[mystified]

If you are going for PvP, I;d god for dragon, although my auradin has both setup in stash, PvP is with Fire. Dream switch when they start sorbing.
Fire kills druid minion's better. And you just run about + charge.
However, auradin sucks Vs barbs and palas who has decent def.

There are cetain builds that overcome this problem, but this char uses fire only then. your 20 pts saved from Holy shock is spent wisely @ fana.
Before you cry WTF, use smite. Sure no fire dmg gets addded, but try 20 HS, 20 Fana + skillers, you get semi-decent or better-than-smite-using-zealer-smite due to ur usually higher skill lv set up.
No tele tho...

PS Zeal sux unless Vs caster + reaching 4 frame. Charge is way to go.
above fire + smiter sux vs anyone with abs. You put spurs on and that is it.

EDIT*forgot about low life.
no cta hence very low life of around 2000.
but need to as smite dmg is weak if you are not using grief.

There is a way to cover this is you go dual dream, but then DR becomes a problem with setting I have in mind. my auradin should reach 40% + DR once in completed fire set up, but has no DR in dream set up.

 

[SicHalo]

hmm i used foh/fire aura build only difference i i used a good griffons and this pushed foh to like 5+k and higher when needed vs fohers.

to behonnest an auradin does not give well prepared chars any problems so chars sporting nice stack like hammerdin even barbs or other smiters, or highly buffed es sorcs unless u abs heavy should run you to the ground.

Yeah DR is an issue alot of cases i used to get 1-2 hit kos by charging smiters or high dmg whirlwind.

Yeah i would take smite over zeal, you can even wear a grief + 2x dragon coa + dungos vs hard stacked chars this way with fana + grief pb you should hit the last smite bp plus a few points in smite or whole shock combined with grief will give nice smite dmg.

 

[Josiphos]

I've done option 2 and 3 from your choices, and didnt like them.

I'd say go with option 1, strongest fire possible, rely on foh. You'll need Dr from CoA.

If people stack sorb, you're toast, but then just find another game.

Yeah, zeal sux, dont even try unless against sorc or zon.

Edit: or wolf too (poor wolves got screwed in the patch)

 

[Ce Olba]

If people stack sorb, you're toast, but then just find another game.

Arfh. I hate to how people always talk about "stack sorb". If you had ever dueled a Blizzard sorc with -100 CR and 2 Ravens, you would know that if you resistances are in the negatives, you will need a freaky amount of absorb to compensate. Actually, with -100% resistances and 40% Sorb, you are at the same as if you had 68% resistances. Now, tell me, how does one reach 40% Fire Absorb? Yes, that's right, with Flamebellow and 2 Dwarfstars. Now tell me, what kind of a fool uses a Flamebellow on any PvP character, not to even mention the two DStars?

So, resistances> Sorb. Thus, you shouldn't be talking about "stacking absorb", but rather "stacking resistances".

And in case you are abbreviating "stack and absorb" into "stack sorb", you're ... how should I say it... Something bad.

As for the OP: all of the setups mentioned are really, really bad. They all lack PDR%, meaning you will be slain by anything that does physical damage, meaning:
Windies
Bowazons
BvCs
Smiters
Chargers
Zealots
BvBs
BvAs

Overall, I simply cannot imagine any auradin that would actually be capable of beating any melee character with anything besides defensive Charge or lucky hits that connect (as your ar will suck quite a lot).

 

[Uncle_Mike]

Arfh. I hate to how people always talk about "stack sorb". If you had ever dueled a Blizzard sorc with -100 CR and 2 Ravens, you would know that if you resistances are in the negatives, you will need a freaky amount of absorb to compensate. Actually, with -100% resistances and 40% Sorb, you are at the same as if you had 68% resistances. Now, tell me, how does one reach 40% Fire Absorb? Yes, that's right, with Flamebellow and 2 Dwarfstars. Now tell me, what kind of a fool uses a Flamebellow on any PvP character, not to even mention the two DStars?

So, resistances> Sorb. Thus, you shouldn't be talking about "stacking absorb", but rather "stacking resistances".

And in case you are abbreviating "stack and absorb" into "stack sorb", you're ... how should I say it... Something bad.


As for the OP: all of the setups mentioned are really, really bad. They all lack PDR%, meaning you will be slain by anything that does physical damage, meaning:
Windies
Bowazons
BvCs
Smiters
Chargers
Zealots
BvBs
BvAs

Overall, I simply cannot imagine any auradin that would actually be capable of beating any melee character with anything besides defensive Charge or lucky hits that connect (as your ar will suck quite a lot).

Calm down...

If you feel Josiphos worded things poorly/was wrong feel free to correct him in a neutral manner, no need to call him names.

I cannot see him suggesting two dwarfs and a flamebellow. Stop nitpicking all the time...

Mike

 

[kohlman]

(as your ar will suck quite a lot).

Don't forget about conviction if you are running as a true auradin expecting the elemental dmg to do the dmg. I have a dreamer with a measly 3k ar with charge but seems to hit 90% of the time once conviction lands on them. Attack rating almost has no meaning once a decent level of conviction hits them, even if they have 20k+ defense. even 40k defense ppl will be very much so hittable with 5k attack rating and god conviction

 

[Ce Olba]

Calm down...

If you feel Josiphos worded things poorly/was wrong feel free to correct him in a neutral manner, no need to call him names.

I cannot see him suggesting two dwarfs and a flamebellow. Stop nitpicking all the time...

No, I did not call him names.

Tell me Mike, have you ever watched all of the Lord of the Rings movies? If you have, do you happen to remember how Gandalf said "You fools!" a couple of times in the movies? That's the way I like it, and that's the I do it.

He clearly said "toast", so that either means heavy sorb or stacked resistances. Sorb<Resistances, so he must mean stacked resistances or 40% Sorb. And again, 40% Fire Absorb can only be gotten from 2* DStars and a Flamebellow.

Also, here's something interesting:
40% sorb and -100% resistances == 64% resistances
30% sorb and -100% resistances == 51% resistances
15% sorb and -100% resistances == 27.75 resistances

Now, if you take, say, 9000 damage, with 15% sorb that would mean 1005.425 damage. I don't think that's "toast". Now, if you take the same amount of damage and say, 30% sorb, that would mean 780.3 damage per hit. Again, not "toast". So, finally, 40% sorb which would mean 550.8 damage per hit. Not "toast" enough. Specially not, if you compare it to having even 85% resistances, meaning 229.5 damage per hit. So, do you now get my point?

So, Josiphos, did you seriously mean using plain absorb or did you mean stack and absorb? Or plain stack?

 

[mystified]

Don't forget about conviction if you are running as a true auradin expecting the elemental dmg to do the dmg. I have a dreamer with a measly 3k ar with charge but seems to hit 90% of the time once conviction lands on them. Attack rating almost has no meaning once a decent level of conviction hits them, even if they have 20k+ defense. even 40k defense ppl will be very much so hittable with 5k attack rating and god conviction

against casters who have absolutely no way of upping their def, with exception of blizz who can have...10K+ def =_=
cuz we all know what happenes to def when chars who can up their def by skills.
In short, auradin is weaked version of your normal zealots that specialise in elem dmg so its great in PvM, but need exceptional skills, wealth and patience to build and master.
Stick with hammer/boner/other cookie cutters if you wanna 'own' or 'pwn'.
Heck, auradin's fun tho

 

[Uncle_Mike]

No, I did not call him names.

Tell me Mike, have you ever watched all of the Lord of the Rings movies? If you have, do you happen to remember how Gandalf said "You fools!" a couple of times in the movies? That's the way I like it, and that's the I do it.

He clearly said "toast", so that either means heavy sorb or stacked resistances. Sorb<Resistances, so he must mean stacked resistances or 40% Sorb. And again, 40% Fire Absorb can only be gotten from 2* DStars and a Flamebellow.

But I am not talking to Gandalf right? I am talking to you and I did not like you calling him "something bad" which kind of sounds like "insert insult here".

You do not consider him an idiot right? If so, do not treat him like one responding in such manner...I am quite sure most if not all of the people know what he meant in his post including the original poster.

Stop nitpicking - does he really have to say that he did not mean 2 dwarfs and a flamebellow? While I do appreciate your on topic input I cannot say the same for your general attitude.

This argument is over btw. If you have a problem with the way a mod is handling things pm him or the site admin...

 

[Josiphos]

Actually what I meant was hotspur and dwarf with good resist. That equals s/e.


I didn't know the Exactness Police would be so vigilant


@Mike: Remember, don't make Gandalf angry. You wouldn't like him when he's angry.