Armageddon Bear?

[Superbit]

Armageddon Bear?

Someone direct me on how to make a Bear that uses Armageddon?
skills, eq, etc

Or, stop me before I waste my time making one.

Thx

 

[HardyZ]

i can't tell you the exact way to follow, i made one in single player which looked like this:

1 werewolf
1 lychantropy
1 werebear
1 maul
1 oak sage
20 armageddon
20 volcano
20molten boulder
10 fissure(for 30 sec geddon)
20 firestorm
+5 prerequisites in the elemental tree to get to armagueddon

which make it 100 skill points, which means clvl 89. Pretty high to me. As you can see, i chose the path of maximum fire, which makes it poorly prepared against fire immunes.

I also chose a holy freeze merc and to go max block.

Hope it helps a bit.

 

[Superbit]

That build looks all Armageddon.
How effective is//was it?

I was thinking more of a combo of Armageddon and Maul, or
Armageddon and Fire Claws

 

[prion]

I am attempting to make a geddon bear with grizzly and shockwave. The intent being to just be a caster that looks like a bear. This way I can use caster gear without worrying about AR and stuff. However I am not very far along with it for a variety of reasons.

 

[sunbearie]

i can't tell you the exact way to follow, i made one in single player which looked like this:

1 werewolf
1 lychantropy
1 werebear
1 maul
1 oak sage
20 armageddon
20 volcano
20molten boulder
10 fissure(for 30 sec geddon)
20 firestorm
+5 prerequisites in the elemental tree to get to armagueddon

which make it 100 skill points, which means clvl 89. Pretty high to me. As you can see, i chose the path of maximum fire, which makes it poorly prepared against fire immunes.

I also chose a holy freeze merc and to go max block.

Hope it helps a bit.

Just curious about this build, how come you went with a bear since you could just cast amageddon in human form. More life?

I knew a char who actually just used a +amageddon pelt, then maxed firestorm and used the MB charges on "stone" runeword armour. The remainder went to shockwave, maul/HOW. Pretty effective actually.

 

[Weltkriegpally]

Just curious about this build, how come you went with a bear since you could just cast amageddon in human form. More life?

I knew a char who actually just used a +amageddon pelt, then maxed firestorm and used the MB charges on "stone" runeword armour. The remainder went to shockwave, maul/HOW. Pretty effective actually.

actually, yes, you get more life, and you can cast geddon in bear form (assuming that I didn't misinterpret your post). If you add in shockwave, for pvp and pvm, it can be insanely effective. Interesting theory on the +geddon pelt. It might work, but I doubt you could get very high damage numbers on the geddon.

--welt

 

[HardyZ]

Superbit: well, the build wasn't all that bad. The dmg was really great(around 10K), but the problem was, well, fire immunes...

sunbearie: yes, you get more life and defense while in bear form, which is good in order to use a skill that kind of requires contact with monsters.
Regarding using Stone armour to get the synergy, you may very well go with earthshifter too, to get volcano synergy and +7 elemental skills. But it wouldn't be very practical(high str, no shield, no resists, etc...), and as Weltkriegpally said, the armor+maxed firestorm only won't give you good dmg.
But worst than that: you simply can't do it... Armagueddon requires at least a point in each elemental skill, and if you have a natural point in a skill, the bugged synergy won't work... So here, it can't.


Regarding hybrids ideas, the one i tried was using shockwave(1 point, +skills did the rest). Very useful, now regarding Maul, i'd say it would be hard to have a setup that would be as good for a caster as for a serious melee char(Ar problems, speed, dmg etc... while retaining good +skills and resists)
Some would want to spend some points to get a grizzly too.

One might think this is a hard-to-tweak-build, and one might unfortunately be right...

 

[Pherdnut]

The best part is that it sounds like a movie about an evil plush toy.

 

[Superbit]

I knew a char who actually just used a +amageddon pelt, then maxed firestorm and used the MB charges on "stone" runeword armour. The remainder went to shockwave, maul/HOW. Pretty effective actually.

I like this idea!
20 points Firestorm
Rest for MaulBear

Any other Equipment syndergize with Armageddon besides Stone?

 

[HardyZ]

I like this idea!
20 points Firestorm
Rest for MaulBear

Any other Equipment syndergize with Armageddon besides Stone?

But worst than that: you simply can't do it... Armagueddon requires at least a point in each elemental skill, and if you have a natural point in a skill, the bugged synergy won't work... So here, it can't.

i like when people read the comments in their threads...

 

[Superbit]

i like when people read the comments in their threads...

My understanding is that if you have a Druid Helm that gives you +skill to Armageddon, then you don't want to put any points into it at all, and you will still be able to use the skill and receive the synergies.

If I'm wrong, please punish me!
If you're wrong, please admit to it.

 

[HardyZ]

My understanding is that if you have a Druid Helm that gives you +skill to Armageddon, then you don't want to put any points into it at all, and you will still be able to use the skill and receive the synergies.

If I'm wrong, please punish me!
If you're wrong, please admit to it.

Hehe, seems i somehow misread your comment, didn't realise you weren't talking about natural skill points. Just re-tested it, and it works, so we might be able to do something around that idea(we just have to find a +3 gueddon plain/3sox pelt )
Maybe that+stone+earthshifter+a bunch of +skills might do it(can't test with earthshifter since i can't seems to find it in my single player trainer's items)

Now, i can't punish you

 

[sunbearie]

Hehe, seems i somehow misread your comment, didn't realise you weren't talking about natural skill points. Just re-tested it, and it works, so we might be able to do something around that idea(we just have to find a +3 gueddon plain/3sox pelt )
Maybe that+stone+earthshifter+a bunch of +skills might do it(can't test with earthshifter since i can't seems to find it in my single player trainer's items)

Now, i can't punish you

There's also a hydrid that uses this build which is a hurricane-amageddon druid since both builds have a relatively small radius
The down-side is obviously you need to give up on your pelt which often doesn't compare to Jalan's, ravenlore etc.

You can get firestorm charges on steelspell(comes with teleport too) and I'm not sure if fissue charges are available somewhere.

If I find an earthshifter, thats the build I'm going with, an amageddon maulbear. No block, resists etc isn't that essential when you have shockwave

 

[Superbit]

There's also a hydrid that uses this build which is a hurricane-amageddon druid since both builds have a relatively small radius
The down-side is obviously you need to give up on your pelt which often doesn't compare to Jalan's, ravenlore etc.

You can get firestorm charges on steelspell(comes with teleport too) and I'm not sure if fissue charges are available somewhere.

If I find an earthshifter, thats the build I'm going with, an amageddon maulbear. No block, resists etc isn't that essential when you have shockwave

I have an earthshifter stashed away somewhere, but I thought it'd be too slow for Maul. Unless you're thinking about using it on weaponswitch for casting Armageddon?

 

[HardyZ]

I have an earthshifter stashed away somewhere, but I thought it'd be too slow for Maul. Unless you're thinking about using it on weaponswitch for casting Armageddon?

i agree, it would be way too slow for maul. I'd personaly use it either on weapon switch as you suggested, or as main weapon on a summoner/gueddon(as weapon switch would be arioc's/ondal's/mang song's/whatever will boost summons). I'll have to test it somehow one day.