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Are Pindel charms worth the same as Baal

Discussion in 'Diablo 2 Community Forum' started by Senti, Feb 25, 2004.

  1. Senti

    Senti IncGamers Member

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    Are Pindel charms worth the same as Baal

    I was wondering if charms dropped from other high monsters like Pindelskin or Nihlathak (hell of course) can get all the mods that baal charms can ..
     
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    Both Baal(Mlvl99) and Nihlathak(Mlvl95) are able to spawn the highest elemental mods on sc's (Red,Hibernal,Shocking,Flaming,Pestilent), but Pindle is only Mlvl86 and charms from him might not be worth rerolling because the most famous mods -7%mf(61),20life(61),5 all res(47),+skillGC(50)- all comes from Ilvl 47-61 (Ilvl61 starts from NM act5 -ice caves), and by using higher lvl charms, there will be more mods to choose from, and therefore making the chances of those mods decrease..


    Hope that made sense..
     
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    Senti IncGamers Member

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    Yes I understood that quite well
    Hmm so why are people trading baal charms ?
    I read on some site that GC of Vitae with life from 46-50 is lvl 110 (highest one).. this one can be only dropped from some chests ?
    Is Mlvl = charm prefix/suffix lvl ?
    And how is it possible to cube sc with 330 poison dmg cause I saw one thread here about it?
     
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    because they can get the highest elemental mods

    Ilvl110 is not possible (46life is max), since the only monster with that lvl is the clone (who only drops anni)


    Heres an explanation by Thrugg : http://www.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=138249&highlight=charms

    -330ps sc would also only be dropped by Nihlathak or Baal (elemental charm) IIRC Diablo can spawn about 175 ..
     
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    That suffix is in the game files, therefore most d2 sources wil have it written, but I can asure you its not possible, highest monster able to spawn charms are Baal (Ilvl99), and chest's highest will be (Ilvl85).. (this has been discussed many times on these forums, and Im sure any of the veterans in here can confirm this).

    Btw : just found this on AB forums by GaiaCat


    Find your desired affix, get its ilvl, then find area in "ilvl hunting places" list

    Small Charm Prefix:
    Fine: +10-20 To Attack Rating, +1-3 To Maximum Damage (alvl 28, ilvl 42)
    Shimmering: +3-5% Resist All (alvl 33, ilvl 47)
    Ruby: +10-11% Resist Fire (alvl 40, ilvl 54)
    Sapphire: +10-11% Resist Cold (alvl 40, ilvl 54)
    Amber: +10-11% Resist Lightning (alvl 40, ilvl 54)
    Emerald: +10-11% Resist Poison (alvl 40, ilvl 54)
    Serpent's: +13-17 Mana (alvl 48, ilvl 62)
    Toxic: +100 Poison Damage Over 5 Seconds (alvl 63, ilvl 77)
    Smoking: +4-9 Min, +11-19 Max Fire Damage (alvl 64, ilvl 78)
    Arcing: +1 Min, +25-43 Max Lightning Damage (alvl 65, ilvl 79)
    Boreal: +5-7 Min, +9-14 Max Cold Damage - 1 Sec Duration (alvl 66, ilvl 80)

    Only Hell Baal & Nihlathak can drop these?:
    Pestilent: +175 Poison Damage Over 6 Sec (alvl **, ilvl 94)
    Flaming: +10-19 Min,+20-29 Max Fire Damage (alvl 89, ilvl 94)
    Shocking: +1 Min and +44-71 Max Lightning Damage (alvl 90, ilvl 95)
    Hibernal: +8-10 Min, +15-20 Max Cold Damage - 1 Sec Duration (alvl 91, ilvl 95)

    Small Charm Suffix:
    of Greed: 5-10% Extra Gold (alvl 1, ilvl 1)
    of Inertia: %3 Faster Run/Walk (alvl 35, ilvl 49)
    of Balance: 5% Faster Hit Recovery (alvl 37, ilvl 51)
    of Anthrax: +50 Poison Damage over 6 sec (alvl 44, ilvl 58)
    of Incineration: +5-7 Min, +9-13 Max Fire Damage (alvl 45, ilvl 59)
    of Storms: +1 Min, +19-28 Max Lightning Damage (alvl 45, ilvl 59)
    of Winter: +4-5 Min, +7-9 Max Cold Damage - 1 Sec Duration (alvl 46, ilvl 60)
    of Good Luck: 6-7% Better chance of magic items (alvl 47, ilvl 61)
    of Vita: +16-20 Life (alvl 47, ilvl 61)

    Grand Charm Prefix:
    +Skill: +1 to a Skill Tab (alvl 50, ilvl 50)
    Was worth putting in here for obvious reasons oO

    ilvl hunting places:
    42 Normal: WSK Level 3, Throne of Destruction (43 though)
    42 NM: Forgotten Tower 5, Catacombs 1+2, Cathedral
    43 NM: Catacombs 3+4, Rocky Waste, Sewers 1+2
    47 NM: Claw Viper Temple, Palace Cellar 1+2
    48 NM: Palace Cellar 3, Arcane Sanctuary, Canyon of the Magi
    49 NM: Tal Rasha's Tombs, Spider Forest
    50 NM: Spider Cavern, Arachnid Lair, Flayer Jungle, Great Marsh
    51 NM: Flayer Dungeon, Swampy Pit
    52 NM: Sewers 1, Lower Kurast, Kurast Bazaar, Upper Kurast
    53 NM: Disused Fane, Forgotten Reliquary, Kurast Causeway, Ruined Temple
    54 NM: Ruined Fane, Travincal, Forgotten Temple, Disused Reliquary
    55 NM: Durance of Hate
    58 NM: Bloody Foothills, Chaos Sanctuary
    59 NM: Rigid Highlands
    60 NM: Tundra Waste (?, well the Tundra area in Act 5)
    61 NM: Crystalized Caverns 1+2
    62 NM: Glacial Caves 1+2
    77 Hell: Lost City
    78 Hell: Stony Tomb 1, Palace Cellar 1-3
    79 Hell: Canyon of the Magi, Arcane Sanctuary, Spider Forest, Spider Cavern, Arachnid Lair
    80+ Hell: Flayer Jungle and onwards

    Hell Act 1 High level areas:
    75-79: Forgotten Tower 1-5, starts at 75 and increases 1 for each level
    79: Den of Evil
    80: Burial Grounds, Hole 1
    81: Hole 2
    83: Crypt, Underground Passage 2
    85: Pit 1+2, Mausoleum

    Well, hope it helps people in finding those precious small charms oO
     
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    Thx for all your help mate :clap:
    Maybe more people will learn something from this
    I was to lazy to search this forum for some more threads about it - sorry for that :uhhuh:
    And I think the last question about this SC 330 poison dmg .. what prefix and suffix it has ?
    Cause Pestilent SC of Anthrax would have only 225 poison dmg
     
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    Actually I have never figured out how those high psn sc's are able to spawn, but I've heard that 451 is max and that it could spawn on "Pestilent of Anthrax", but I can only -like you- get the max to 225, so Ill leave it up to someone with more in-depth knowlegde to answer..
     
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    Well I've thought about it, and came up with this theory (without any evidence) :

    Pestilent gives 175.20psn over 6 sec
    Anthrax gives 50.39psn over 6 sec

    -when combining those two mods the duration will be added together (12sec), and therefore also doubles the damage (451), but it will still only be 225psn pr. 6sec..
     
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    Ive cubed 2 baal sc's:
    313 Pdmg: Toxic of Anthrax Req lvl 50
    377 Pdmg: Pestilent of Pestilence Req lvl 80

    A friend has Pestilent of Pestilence too, but got 356 Pdmg....
    Its strange....
     
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    I think your theory may be true..
    I thought about it one time and forgot it then :flip:
    I mean I forgot about duration time. The guy who found this 330 poison said it's 10sec duration not 6..
     
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    Pestilent Small Charm of Venom 330 poison damage over 10 seconds.

    Pestilent: poison_rate=299/256 damage per frame, duration=150 frames(6 sec)
    of Venom: poison_rate=39/256 damage per frame, duration=100 frames (4sec)

    Affixes or properties on the same item have their rate and duration added together.*
    For this charm it would then be
    poison_rate=338/256 damage per frame, duration=250 frames (10 sec)

    net amount of damage at teh end of the duration is
    damage= 250frames*338/256 damage/frame
    = 84500/256 damage = 330.078125 damage over the 10 seconds of time

    *jewels, gems and runes in sockets are actually seperate items being carried by the socketed item. This is similar to your character carrying charms in you backpack.
     
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    Really nice explanation. Could you give us any link to site where affixes/suffixes are explained so precisely ?
    And how about explanation of this what Sopper wrote .. that he has 377 Pdmg Pestilent of Pestilence and his friend also but with 356 Pdmg. Do they also have different time durations ?
     
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    I do not know of any sites offhand that have this information set up for the v1.10 game. I had given BKelly the v1.09 information for when he was writing the Tao of Poison, but it does not have the current v1.10 data in it. I get my information from reading the datafiles in the MPQs, but in some cases like the poison you have to know what it is that you are looking at.

    For Soppers case, in v1.09 the max duration of a poison effect on a single item was capped at 255 frames. These v1.09 would have kept that duartion when the v1.10 game was released. So a v1.10 version of the item would have been able to spawn with a longer duration (275 frames instead of the 255 in v1.09) and thereby end up with a higher net damage at the end of the duration. The damage rates on the two charms would have been the same though. By my calcuations the v1.09 Pestilent Small Charm of Pestilence would end up with 350 damage over 10 seconds. Sopper may have misremembered the exact amount or had a typo there.
     

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