@ffs I took a look at my little calc, and it looks like 20 fana is about the same as zero fana with decrep proc'd. But thats on an enemy with zero physical res. So with any physical res, decrep will outperform fanaticism. So, especially considering your point about less dmg being taken, looks like you're definitely right! Ok ok I'll definitely have to try the reapers setup out sooner rather than later . Alright another question, but this one is more just details I think. Points in salvation vs sacrifice? Looks like salvation gives you very slightly more dmg than points in sacrifice, but at the expense of less physical dmg for leech and for highly light resistant monsters. Just to illustrate my point about crescent moon vs grief. If we take an enemy with 100 light res, and 0 physical res. lvl 20 conviction would reduce resistance to 75, then crecent moon reduce it to 40 for lightning dmg of ~2100. Now the physical dmg of crescent moon would be roughly 830, with decrep proc'd, so that's a total of ~2930 With grief, the res would be at 75, for a lightning dmg of only 875. But the physical dmg component, would be ~3300 with decrep proc'd. So a total of 3300+875= ~4200 Let me know if something looks vastly off with those numbers, but if they are correct, even vs broken lightning immunes, I can only see the case for crescent moon when they are also PI or very highly physically resistant. And that just seems too rare to consider lowering dmg against all non immune monsters drastically (because they would likely already be at -100 light res and so crescent moon wont do anything). I think crescent moon is an awesome weapon for tesladins who don't have conviction and for light sorcies (who aren't zealing with grief for big physical dmg), but I don't see its advantages for a dreamadin. @Dagaz Does a phoenix setup not outperform it?