Anyone have a realy nice fire druid pvp build?

[Liquid_Evil]

I think you probably got banned for being a troll. And I think I see a pattern.

You can sit there and type whatever you want to try and justify what you had written in your "guide", but we both know it was a steaming load of theory-crafting.

Quit crappin' up the OP's thread and PM me if you have something else on your mind.

 

[Jary]

Hrmm not sure what ur asking. You can only have a single point into grizzly at level 30, and then max out spirit wolf and put the rest into HOW. The bear is necessary if you want to maximize thorns, for its high HP, and the wolves have much higher damage output. I'm not sure how effective it could be at level 45. I pretty much duel at 9,30, and 90

wups my bad, I = dumb :banghead:

Wups, sry wasn't thinking there lvl 30, 1 point griz... right

 

[Jary]

That seems odd, about comparing them side by side, I've never noticed a difference I'll have to test. I should have the resources soon.

Apparently though, to achieve 1000% returns:

= lvl 20 Thorns
= lvl 33 Iron Maiden
= lvl 49 SoB (so if i woulda maxed it woulda been equiv with lvl 20 thorns... sad :[

Although SoB deffinitely gets the lower end of the totem pole, they do stack... so whatever helps. = )

So what do we know, we could compose a Faq about damage returned:

1) Dmg/Ret suffers the same PvP penalty/s as the physical damage source getting affected. aka, 1/6 against humans... 1/2 Summons.
2) Dmg/Ret gets further reduced from damage reduction. Summons have 0% DR, further helping their effectiveness.
3) Dmg/Ret is only proportional to the HP's of the player/Summon. Any damage exceeding the HP's of the Summon will not give any returns.
4) [w/e I determine between maiden, SoB, thorns]

 

[Skullbash]

Would the returned damge be affected by DR on the other guy, though?

 

[Jary]

I believe so, these are things I need to double check but have been told.

One big factor too, when it comes to Barbs & Pallys is Grief.
Grief is not effected by damage returnded (well the +Damage isn't), therefore any Grief/Smiter or Grief/Ebotd BvC will be effected barely little by thorns, and this I know a fact since I've tested with lvl 20 bramble on my Shock-Summoner on East.

 

[Verashiden]

IIRC Return Damage is affected by opponent's DR.

Vouch the Grief being glitched with return damage. Puma proved that a Wolf using max Hunger and with LT on an enemy can attack with Maiden on him and still gain life.

You can only deal as much damage as the target's max HP. This applies to leech as well as Damage Return.

 

[Gimmershred]

This is my firedruid.

Openhaard, lvl 90 firedruid.

Ravenlore faceted
Mara's 30
30/30 Crystal sword
Enigma
Spirit
Magefists
Ravenfrost
Fcr ring with 19str, 11allres, 36mana
24fhr, fcr belt, with 11str/50life
30frw, cold/light/fireres boots

10x 3frw/5allres sc
2x fhr skiller
7x lifeskiller
Torch , anni

I put 2points in str, rest into vita
1 in grizzly, 1in oak, rest into firetree.
68%fcr break, 105%frw, 99%fhr, 4152life with bo+1points oak, 820mana, 75res with a bit stack,


Damage, -55%fireres constantly.
Firestorm: 8487-9375
Fissure: 5551-5801
Molten boulder: 1452-1599 physical, 1698-1870fire
Volcano: 1013-1020 physical, 2000-2217fire
Armageddon: 11-13k , can still put 9 more points in it