Anyone have a realy nice fire druid pvp build?

[Angelus Meritae]

hmm, i think the shaman build is nice... If i wasn't on a slow connection I would watch the video. I'm a bit curious as to if the bear acts like a mercenary when teleporting (will instantaneously attack after a teleport) and whether a player with good FHR will be able to easily avoid getting locked and "bombed" with a fissure. My own build ive been thinking of also revolves around somewhat of a survival aspect with cyclone armor.. but I'm not sure anymore.

 

[slothkin]

Nice vid. I like the aggresive style of that iraq build or whatever but i think against any barb/pally/(anyone with max resist+block) you'd be toast. The way i see it the only way to make a decent fire druid is to get 1pt oak/raven/wolves then put ALL remaining pts to fire synergies. You need 6facet sword, ravenlore, and 99 faster cast rate.

Depending on how much life u got from your charms u can hit 5k hp easy. The casting delays suck so u have to play very defensively. Volcano anyone with weak fhr/low hp characters drive by style. Fissure everyone else trying to lure them towards the fissures much like a bliz sorc. If they sorb you you're kinda screwed so just try and kite with volcano.

Overall not the strongest build but one of the most fun. I have no life skillers, about 4k life and i can easily clear out pugs(if theres no one there that sorbs). Also be prepared to lvl up to at least the 90's to fully max out the fire skills. If you find you like fissure more then max moulten boulder last. If you like volcano then max firestorm last. My firedruid is lvl 94 with about 18k geddon 6k fissure and 4k volcano with -55 enemy resists.

Just thought of one more strategy i sometimes use. Sometimes vs hammerdins or wind druids i just stand there and spam firestorm. If all 3 lines hit them when they teleport on you it does 27k(9k per line). Doesnt work often but when it does its awesome

 

[cowtestickles]

Nice vid. I like the aggresive style of that iraq build or whatever but i think against any barb/pally/(anyone with max resist+block) you'd be toast. The way i see it the only way to make a decent fire druid is to get 1pt oak/raven/wolves then put ALL remaining pts to fire synergies. You need 6facet sword, ravenlore, and 99 faster cast rate.

Depending on how much life u got from your charms u can hit 5k hp easy. The casting delays suck so u have to play very defensively. Volcano anyone with weak fhr/low hp characters drive by style. Fissure everyone else trying to lure them towards the fissures much like a bliz sorc. If they sorb you you're kinda screwed so just try and kite with volcano.

Overall not the strongest build but one of the most fun. I have no life skillers, about 4k life and i can easily clear out pugs(if theres no one there that sorbs). Also be prepared to lvl up to at least the 90's to fully max out the fire skills. If you find you like fissure more then max moulten boulder last. If you like volcano then max firestorm last. My firedruid is lvl 94 with about 18k geddon 6k fissure and 4k volcano with -55 enemy resists.

Just thought of one more strategy i sometimes use. Sometimes vs hammerdins or wind druids i just stand there and spam firestorm. If all 3 lines hit them when they teleport on you it does 27k(9k per line). Doesnt work often but when it does its awesome

but do u got max block or no?

 

[slothkin]

No. All stats in vitality. With nigma treks ani torch you shouldnt need any in strength to wear spirit. If you do its ok add a bit to str and then all the rest to vitality

 

[cowtestickles]

double post

 

[cowtestickles]

skills i have its just the gear i'm realy struggiling with like what rings/ammy gloves belt, pelt shield/weapon.

 

[inanefedaykin]

So you have a charecter that has summon stack, a spell that causes dodge lock and one that disables running but you complain about bowas?

 

[Jary]

I think he was saying opposite actually.

However imo any realy pro bowa with dodge, good resists, and fast attack speed should shred that build to bits. Generally bear stack helps, but not when it dies in one hit like his... how can you claim resummon>tank when they're killing it faster than you recast and hitting u pierce as they spray too?

This build could hold its own against BvC, I could see that. fissure works wonders against ww.
However, again.. low life, if they get a good whirl on you you're finished.

Pally's.... again, it's not so much your strengths as their weaknesses I see it.

 

[Liquid_Evil]

I've always thought of shamans as pretty decent builds. Fire Druids are clunky characters in general with all the short duration/ranges of their skills coupled with the timers so there is a definite learning curve.

Oh, and what's the score now? Has iraq has come back more times than inkanddagger?

 

[Verashiden]

Probably. At least Ink only comes back to offer insight on something >.>

 

[cowtestickles]

Probably. At least Ink only comes back to offer insight on something >.>

he is helping me the most, i don't see you posting insightful comments!!

 

[slothkin]

I think he was saying opposite actually.

However imo any realy pro bowa with dodge, good resists, and fast attack speed should shred that build to bits. .

I lot of time if u can land a volcano on a zons feet she'll get dodge locked and since volcano has fire + physical damage its hard for them to resist both ot it. If they're good though it will be hard to get close enough to namelock them and get a volcano under their feet.

 

[Verashiden]

Well yeah, you don't see a lot of bowas with decent resists or DR. However, the problem with a Shaman comes from the BvC with SoE and Pally Matchup. One hit on the Bear and the BvC is back to full life. How does a Shaman counter? Sacrifice the Bear and lay Fissures down to lead him? Even with 1 point Dire will still give the Bear 1.8k+ life, making any meaningful hit a free Juv.

Cow: One thread doesn't equal helpful in his case .

Iraq: Since I know you'll read this and be back within the day, care to explain how to beat melee?

 

[Skullbash]

So maybe I'm stepping out of line here, but why is it that everyone seems to dislike ClanIraq so much?

 

[Liquid_Evil]

So maybe I'm stepping out of line here, but why is it that everyone seems to dislike ClanIraq so much?

I think most just don't care for his arrogant demeanor. I think his Shaman guide has merit and I didn't really have any problems with him until he posted his "guide" on Thorns and damage return. It was all non-tested theory-crafting that he passed off as solid info. Spreading bad info is a D2 war crime imo.

 

[Jary]

Well yeah, you don't see a lot of bowas with decent resists or DR. However, the problem with a Shaman comes from the BvC with SoE and Pally Matchup. One hit on the Bear and the BvC is back to full life. How does a Shaman counter? Sacrifice the Bear and lay Fissures down to lead him? Even with 1 point Dire will still give the Bear 1.8k+ life, making any meaningful hit a free Juv.

Cow: One thread doesn't equal helpful in his case .

Iraq: Since I know you'll read this and be back within the day, care to explain how to beat melee?

Bah... damn you BvC and your leeching my bear

I remember this BvC would purposely ignore me and just WW my bear in-between fighting this Pally just to heal... I was like "quit healing off my bear lol ^.^"

But anyways, I'm working on getting a good 21 thorns 'Bramble' & 'Edge' bow on switch here in the near future. Also, I threw a point into SoB (I know, it's a sin and I'll deal with it later:wink3: ) so it's lvl 30. I'ma do some testing with its effectiveness in duels, whether just tg or in battle casting bear on top of me.

I've used before with mixed results... Smiters usually play dead quickly but I have a tough time against barbs with high leech (~30%) since it practically cancels it out, BLEH. However that was just bramble (lvl 20 thorns), I wanna see how Edge helps too. Also, I wanna compare to see if lvl 30 SoB>lvl 49 oak... if its worth having a bear with more life or more thorns and how that plays out. Who knows, maybe I'll get bored and make a quick fun vid, I'll see.

 

[Jary]

I think most just don't care for his arrogant demeanor. I think his Shaman guide has merit and I didn't really have any problems with him until he posted his "guide" on Thorns and damage return. It was all non-tested theory-crafting that he passed off as solid info. Spreading bad info is a D2 war crime imo.

mmm... I've never had a problem against him. I bicker ovre builds with him like I pretty much do to every one else, I'm equally annoying to all! lol =D
If anything, I found he puts more testing and clarification into most shizzle than most ppl, and this is from over the years of reading other forum threads he's done... if anything it's other ppl that dont have their facts straight... like the 2, 3, 4- frame Were-sin, who clarified that? he did.

Many guides seem to make stuff up. ie: It had been stated as fact that frw doesn't affect Trang "ghoul lord" in one of the necro guides, well.. me and Sonny just ran a test a while ago proving otherwise and it deffinitely makes a dramatic difference >.< the lieees! lol

Well it really depends. Its alot of theory mostly, because for a BvC to beat a shaman like that, he needs:
1) 1 handed W/S setup
2) High Stacked Resists / Sorb
3) High Leech

All good BvC's will have high stacked resists. Therefore, your fissures are gonna be guaranteed 75%+ reduced, which is ok though... 'cause I've used ~4k fissures on switch with my FC bear and even 25% of its potential can drop most barbs that roll through it.
Yeah, like you said though... even if they are 2-hand, if they grab some hellmouths, a dwarf, and some spurs gl lol.

Tele-poking them on the off whirl I'll use time to time, but it's really risky... if you think they're coming outta ww and u try to make a jump then they whirl right through you that could be your death.. or free health for them and your in a world of pain. With lvl 52 Griz & 49 HoW, even I can't kill most in less than 3 hits sad to say, so it is a strategy... not always the most reliable though : /

The only thing I might not be right about is how the 1/10 and 1/6 pvp penalties apply for each different thorns effect, but it doesn't really matter for the most part. Thorns on a high HP summon will kill people. Thorns on a player will not.

Yeah I think you're right about the thorns... thorns suffers some crazy pvp penalties with the new patch let alone DR & life leech, so it's pretty much jack against other duelests. But like you said, Summons have 0% DR allowing the full potential life to be returned... and the thorns is only gonna be proportional to its total hit points. That's why I was gonna test whether it'd be better off to go Bramble + edge with oak.. for higher total hp grizzly, or Bramble + edge with lvl 30 SoB if the extra HP's don't really matter.
:thumbsup:

 

[Liquid_Evil]

If you'll appreciate the irony, as far as I'm aware, the only reason I'm banned is for ignoring a ban. Its not exactly the brightest reason. But no. My information on thorns has been tested and is true.

I can't seem to find your original thread here with your % damage return results, but I know a lot of it was bogus after testing of my own and the testing of friends.

I don't remember all of it, but something you ignored completely was minion life and how it factored into the equation. A quick look at your LLD guide and it looks like the same holds true for it as well.

Your info is counter intuitive because anyone that has thrown a Bramble on their Rabies/Fury wolf can tell you that the spirit wolf meat shields do not dish back thousands of damage to the dismay of unlucky melee duelers.

This is because they have such low life. It doesn't matter if they get smacked by a 30,000 dmg Charge or get punched for 120 dmg by a Sorceress. It will be the same amount of damage reflected if the wolves only have 120 total life, meaning that to exploit Thorns, SoB, and the like, you need to have a minion with a lot of hit points. Those Spirit Wolves in your guide have base life...

In game testing done by nex also indicated that SoB wasn't as effective as Thorns, even when they were supposedly dishing back the same %'s. Iron Maiden also trumped both Thorns and SoB in terms of effectiveness.

So basically, after real testing, we concluded that much of your guide was comprised of bad info and/or theory-crafting.

 

[Jary]

Yeah, i've read that guide several times. Pretty fun.

I think it works awesome as an lld since you can really capitalize on the thorns effect since DR & leech aren't as much a factor.

Question:
why not lvl ~15 spirit wolves/lvl 30 grizzly, more damage? Or do they just die too fast

My immediate thought though was, I wonder how it'd work as lvl 45 lld.
the extra 10 GC's, +3 ammy and slightly better item selection, would that help the effectiveness or would the other builds just be that much better?

 

[Liquid_Evil]

Did you serious not read that? God man.

Your first one didn't have that convenient little quote and milked a different angle, so don't try and tell me otherwise.