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TheOgreMan

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We have discussed marriage. We are both realistic, though, so it was never an immediate concern. We wanted to become stable financially and for her to get into medical school before we went as far as marriage. She knows that I want to marry her and she has told me numerous times that she has decided that she will marry me, just not yet. The same goes for children. I don't want any, she wants 3. I told her I'd have 1 child with her for certain and we can see how things go from there.

I've never been to Argentina; she is actually from Colombia. I've always wanted to live outside the States but always saw myself as in Europe or Asia (being Korean-Italian). I would go to South America if that's where she wanted to live as long as we are close enough to a body of water where I can fish. And that there is a veterinarian there, as I have a dog.

We have talked about long term goals for a while now. We were even going to get a dog together, mostly for her, when she got back in the States. Thank god I didn't buy it yet.
 

Garbad_the_Weak

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We have discussed marriage. We are both realistic, though, so it was never an immediate concern. We wanted to become stable financially and for her to get into medical school before we went as far as marriage. She knows that I want to marry her and she has told me numerous times that she has decided that she will marry me, just not yet. The same goes for children. I don't want any, she wants 3. I told her I'd have 1 child with her for certain and we can see how things go from there.

I've never been to Argentina; she is actually from Colombia. I've always wanted to live outside the States but always saw myself as in Europe or Asia (being Korean-Italian). I would go to South America if that's where she wanted to live as long as we are close enough to a body of water where I can fish. And that there is a veterinarian there, as I have a dog.

We have talked about long term goals for a while now. We were even going to get a dog together, mostly for her, when she got back in the States. Thank god I didn't buy it yet.
Yup, sounds like its over. I mean this is in the best possible way -- save yourself some grief and move on. She is gone, and trying to hold onto it will only make things worse for both of you.



 

stillman

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Hi,

I have a lot of things to say here. First, sorry to hear about your situation. Hopefully, my insight can help in this matter. I live a life of celibacy which has given me a vantage point to study women from a distance without being influenced by them. The following are just my observations which you may wish to take with a grain of salt.

I've learned that men see relationships as 'serious business'. Women, alternatively, often see relationships as a lark (nothing too serious, all fun and games, and for the moment). I can't help but wonder if she was ever really keen on staying with you forever in the first place. There is a mental map theory of sorts on this. I believe if you matched up with the map she has in her head, she would be the one fighting for you. I wonder if she has made you think that she is deeply enthralled by you, when really you were just a friend in her eyes. Pehaps she keeps saying she loves out of fear of what you might do to yourself if you heard otherwise.

By the sounds of your posts, she seems to have alarm bells in good working order. I believe she does not want profound attachment to someone who is too controling, emotionally unsatbale, volotile, or unreasonable. She may feel like she is being kept on a short leash. Even from across the ocean or where ever, you want control and you wish to pull her closer. I would go as far to say she may have left to flee from you, or as mentioned, it's all just a lark and fun adventure with you being on the sideline. Sometimes it's hard to accept the cold truth that we are not as important as once thought.

[your emotions may be for the loss of your sense of self-worth rather than the loss of the partner.]

I think the other posters are doing you a good service. I agree with them that things are over and it's now all about minimizing the damage. You are clearly more devoted to her than she is to you, so something is wrong.

Obviously, you can't change the reality of you wanting to win her back. You should, imo, deal with these emotions by exploring them further. I think a good way to release some of you feelings is to listen to Bryan Adams' 'Back to You' which pertains greatly to your situation. Just by expressing your desire to reach her may help get things off your chest. You can make up a fantasy of getting her back; at least this is something you can do since the real thing is impossible for now.

You have to consider if she is really worth fighting for. If you are doing 90% of the fighting, feeling and fretting while she is shoping around for other men, is the prize really so great? Even if you won her back, won't this happen again on the next little trip? Look at what her behavior has done to you. She is casually exploring the possibility of seeing someone new even though she surely knows how devastating this would be for you. You've got to worry about yourself now instead of her.

Let all this bad experience be a lesson to you. Men focus on the important things only. Women take in everything and disregard nothing: your behaviors, every word, every microexpression, every flaw, every cosmetic issue, everything you've ever worn and when you wear particular combinations you never thought of since men don't care about such things. You're hair isn't parted right from walking in the wind? She makes a note of it. You skiped shaving for 3 days instead of 2? She notices that. They notice everything you glance at. Do you have a widow's peak, double crown, receeding hairline, thin hair, attached earlobes? If you have just one of those, it could be over. She could date you for 6 months and it was over the moment she saw you. It's game over, you are not the one because you have thin hair or some other silly trait. Women are good at finding chinks the armor, or inventing them, and I beleive she has found weakenesses in you that even you weren't aware of.

It could be something as ridiculous as: the new guy puts gel in his hair and you don't. Should you really work yourself up into a depression over the whims of one girl? You want a woman who will choose you for your important qualities, not mere cosmetic ones.

Next time, you have to put your best foot forward. You have to be bulletproof. Don't slouch, don't stutter, don't say anything to anyone when she is around, don't do anything. Don't even breath. For now though, be strong.

The business-like manly thing to do is, well, (and this is going to sound strange again) is do nothing. There was a line from the movie Bean, "If you do nothing, nothing can go wrong." The right thing to do is wish her the best (and do your best to sound like you mean it), take it like a man, be rightous, and be in control at all times. You can't control her, but you can control you. Act like nothing is wrong. Put your emotions on the back burner where they belong when it's time to communicate.

Also consider that if you have nothing, nothing can go wrong. At least she didn't drag this out for years and turn it into a future custody battle. It sounds like you are devastated and crushed by her casual exploration of new relationships despite it being garaunteed to hurt you. It is natural for you to feel so hurt. At least you now know the nature of the beast. I would advise that you disallow her from toying with you further. Simply wish her the best and remember she doesn't see you as the valuable person you really are.
 

Yaboosh

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I've learned that men see relationships as 'serious business'. Women, alternatively, often see relationships as a lark (nothing too serious, all fun and games, and for the moment). I can't help but wonder if she was ever really keen on staying with you forever in the first place. There is a mental map theory of sorts on this. I believe if you matched up with the map she has in her head, she would be the one fighting for you. I wonder if she has made you think that she is deeply enthralled by you, when really you were just a friend in her eyes. Pehaps she keeps saying she loves out of fear of what you might do to yourself if you heard otherwise.

That is the least accurate observation I have ever read. Where did you do your observations, in relationship threads on internet forums?



 

KillerAim

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Yaboosh:
That is the least accurate observation I have ever read.
My thoughts exactly.

Stillman, a word of advice. If you truly want to become knowledgeable about women, you're not going to get that far by studying them "from a distance without being influenced by them". Also, your description of someone who treats relationships as a lark fits more men then woman I have known, including myself way back when.
 

Dondrei

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That is the least accurate observation I have ever read. Where did you do your observations, in relationship threads on internet forums?
Totally. Even on internet forums that does not compute.



 

skullvomit

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I have no good advices on your situation, as the distance between you two is major thing I have not experienced in my relationships. So I feel I'm not adequate to give you any hints. Except this: disrecard stillman's observations. Especially the paragraph that talks about "chinks in armor".

Otherwise good luck to you, whatever comes your way.
 

TheOgreMan

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We had a long talk last night and, in short, she broke up with me. I was prepared for it. I'm glad that I went and had a long talk with a friend whose opinion I really value and I'm glad that she was there to listen and talk to me (it's a friend's mother, so there is nothing between us). She was able to provide a lot of comfort and better prepare me for things. She was realistic with me but did let me hope a little bit. I think just getting out a lot of the emotions and venting helped.

This is something she says she has to do. She still says that she loves me and that she regrets none of the time we've spent together but that she needs to do what's best for her, with no restrictions. I've never wanted to hold her back. While I did try to keep her with me I didn't really hold on to her very hard this time and let her go eventually. I still don't know exactly what it is that tore her from me; she says a lot of it is distance, some of it other things. She's writing me a long letter (she says) where she will try to better explain things.

I don't know. It hurts. I don't see how I can sacrifice so much, put so much of myself into her, and have so much of her in me, but it can all just go to hell like this. I knew that her going would tear us apart. But this is something she was planning before she even met me (so whoever said that she went just to get away, no; I knew the first week I met her that she would be studying abroad) and there was no way that I could make her not go. She knew I didn't want her to. She promised that nothing would happen, that she would stay as committed to me as I am to her. Things change, I know, but damn if it doesn't just pierce your soul.

I don't know. Maybe she just needs the time away from me to realize that she's still in love with me. Maybe seeing me again will set things right. Maybe. I'm not counting on it but I can't help but have that little glimmer of hope. She is, after all, the one that I love and that's not something I can forget.
 

Syxx

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Hi Ogre,

I'm sorry to hear that she broke up with you. I know you are hurting right now, and as superficial as it sounds, the old saying "Time heals all wounds" does actually hold true in my opinion.

I reckon right now, nothing is going to seem particularly enjoyable or fun for you, but this will change, you just need to give it time.

If you have good friends, good family, then lean on them for support. Don't keep your feelings bottled up inside. Share what you a going through with people who do care about you. Yet another old saying "A problem shared is a problem halved".

These saying may sound bland and unhelpful, but if you think about them, there is a measure of truth to them.

Ofcourse none of the things I've suggested will make the pain go away, but they may help get through this initial period of unhappiness. Then one day, probably when you least expect it, and another pretty girl will take your fancy ... and suddenly you'll find you are again willing to risk the lows of a failed relationship, in hope of gaining the highs from a relationship that works.

Good luck ... and don't give up.

Regards
Syxx
 

TheOgreMan

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The biggest problem that I'm having right now is that I'm not very close to my family and I've never really talked with them about anything serious; we just aren't very attached as a family. That's why I went to a friend's mom...she is super-supportive and was a major crutch in me getting through this as painless as possible, not that it is.

I am giving up, for now. I think I need a few days, maybe even weeks, of just plain distress and self-pity. I'll be stronger from this eventually. Everything reminds me of her, everything in my future had her in it. Everything has changed. I'm doing what I can to keep my mind occupied, but it's tough. I've got a "date" with my buds to start a new DnD campaign and, while I want to skip out and just self-loathe, I think the human contact and support will be better for me.

No, I'm not going to give up forever. This hurts but it's better to get the emotions out now. Get it over with. It will always be painful to think on this, and I'll never be over it, but I will move on and see how life goes. I'll make new plans. Maybe she will come back. Our love is like a boomerang. If she comes back it was meant to be; if not, there was something wrong with how everything was built up and, while a pretty toy, it isn't functional.

Thank you to everyone who has given advice or support. I knew things weren't going to go the way I wanted, but differing opinions and viewpoints are always good things to have. Who knows...in a few months, if and when I'm ready, I'll probably be back asking for advice as to where to meet girls and how to not be "on the rebound" or whatever it is.
 

Amra

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This is something she says she has to do. She still says that she loves me and that she regrets none of the time we've spent together but that she needs to do what's best for her, with no restrictions.
All you can do is let her do that.

TheOgreMan said:
I don't see how I can sacrifice so much, put so much of myself into her, and have so much of her in me, but it can all just go to hell like this.
Not to sound trite but it's called Life. If you want the rewards then you have to take the risk.

I've got a "date" with my buds to start a new DnD campaign and, while I want to skip out and just self-loathe, I think the human contact and support will be better for me.
You can join my WoW guild! :wave:

But yes, don't isolate yourself.



 

TheOgreMan

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Eh...I don't know about that. I just canceled my account last week. I've played some hardcore in my day but I don't know if I want to get back into that. Perhaps. But you'd have to pay for the transfer! :p
 

Ariadne

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From what I read in this topic you keep going round in circles. Let her go. Fighting for it? I don't think you should. I'm certain she gave the relationship a good deal of thought before she said it was over.
 

TheOgreMan

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Um...she broke up with me last night. She has given up completely and no longer wants to try. I'm not going to force her. Would I fight for her forever? Yes, but only if she would do the same. That isn't the case now.
 

PFSS

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She's writing me a long letter (she says) where she will try to better explain things.
To be honest I would advise against even reading that letter as I suspect it will essentially be her trying to kindly let you down, but in your current state of mind you'll interpret the 'kind' parts as being potential for hope that the relationship still has life.

My advice is a clean break. This sounds like your first serious break up, it's hard and it hurts. I believe you love this girl and I believe that before she went she probably loved you too, but it's over and isn't coming back.

It's harsh, it'll hurt and the immediate future will suck - but my advice is to cut contact with her until you're well and truly over her, however long that takes.

I also agree - a bit of human contact with friends is probably a damn good idea right now.

EDIT:

+ 1 for Rebound relationships as Garbad mentions below.


 
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Garbad_the_Weak

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Don't underestimate the power of a rebound girl, either. A little fun and taking your mind off things without worrying about your next serious relationship will do you some good.
 

zodiac66

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Don't underestimate the power of a rebound girl, either. A little fun and taking your mind off things without worrying about your next serious relationship will do you some good.
You said it better than I was going to. Find someone else and you will discover that she is really not worth your fretting over. I am fretting over my new one but he lives in Fargo and haven't heard from him.

Someone that uses you and tells you things (out of context they always say) are not worth even having in your life. Ditch her. You could be missing out on the best thing that ever happened to you pining over someone who has no intention of being with you. Believe me, I just went through it.

If you want to play WoW, come to Area 52 and join a real guild. My guild is always looking for quality over quantity players.



 

TheOgreMan

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I want to have nothing to do with any "rebounding". That isn't me. I don't want shallow sex, I don't want to use a girl or be used by a girl. I'll look for a new relationship--eventually. Right now I think I have every right to feel sad, upset, broken...even today I'm feeling angry at a lot of things. No, rebounding is not for me. It's not worth risking hurting someone else, hurting myself, or my health. Hell, right now if I did anything I fear it would be only to try and hurt the girl who just broke my heart. That's not fair to anyone.

I'm going to read the letter. I'm going to take it all with a grain of salt. I think I know why the relationship failed and it isn't because of me. I do want to see some of her opinions. If anything I'll learn some things that I possibly did wrong and fix them or learn to live with them for a future relationship. Yes, I'm a little hopeful things will work out (I'm hopeless like that) but I know that it won't. I'm not dumb, just "romantic".
 

lAmebAdger

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That's the spirit! Stay that way! Being an absolute realist (in the stereotypical way) isn't gonna help, when you know some part of you is all "feeling".

Read it and take it like a person!
Your sense of fairness also isn't bad. You should stick to that too.
 

Garbad_the_Weak

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I want to have nothing to do with any "rebounding". That isn't me. I don't want shallow sex, I don't want to use a girl or be used by a girl. I'll look for a new relationship--eventually. Right now I think I have every right to feel sad, upset, broken...even today I'm feeling angry at a lot of things. No, rebounding is not for me. It's not worth risking hurting someone else, hurting myself, or my health. Hell, right now if I did anything I fear it would be only to try and hurt the girl who just broke my heart. That's not fair to anyone.

I'm going to read the letter. I'm going to take it all with a grain of salt. I think I know why the relationship failed and it isn't because of me. I do want to see some of her opinions. If anything I'll learn some things that I possibly did wrong and fix them or learn to live with them for a future relationship. Yes, I'm a little hopeful things will work out (I'm hopeless like that) but I know that it won't. I'm not dumb, just "romantic".
Meh, your life. We are trying to save you some pain, but we all know how this will end up. You will suffer for years and perhaps never get over it.



 
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