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TheOgreMan

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another relationship thread, serious help only please

It seems like the only time I post here nowadays is when I'm having some kind of relationship issue. Luckily the last post was a year ago. This time...not so lucky.

I started dating this girl over a year ago; it was a year at the beginning of Feb. We have had a (mostly) great time together. Like with all relationships we've had some downs but 95%+ has been good. This past Jan, the last week, she went to study abroad in Argentina. She is due back the first week of May.

I haven't taken too well to her being gone and this has led to a whole host of issues. I have a few jealousy issues but I'm over those (for realz). The main point of the story comes now.

She has been enjoying the city a lot. She loves the city, the people, the atmosphere, everything. Yesterday she told me that she does not want to come back (she has to, though, for graduation, family, etc. at least temporarily). That little statement through me for a loop. Now, I am normally a very calm, thoughtful person. Her exact words: "to tell the truth I dont even want to go back. its not you, though, its me". Those words hit me like a ton of bricks.

Like I said, I'm normally calm and thoughtful. I flipped out as much as I could, seeing as how I was at work. I went uber-emotional, like post-pregnancy emotional. Not in anger or anything, but in frustration, guilt, all that crap. Luckily we were only chatting via IM client but I had to quit. I had to take a walk, etc. I ended up taking a sick day and leaving work where I really broke down.

I calmed down later that night. This was yesterday. Today, I regained my normal composure, thought it all through, and got ready to talk with her via Skype. Unfortunately this wasn't until after I sent a stream of emails her way being accusatory of her not loving me, guilt towards me, etc. I can honestly say that I was not mean or hateful, but very accusatory (this was done during emotional onset, I regret ever writing those).

Today we finally got to talk. The gist of everything is that now she says she still loves me, but is not in love with me. She doesn't feel anything between us. She said that I have been irrational lately (I have been occasionally, not nearly always) and that I've been driving her away. People have been talking to her about leaving me, that she is young, etc. This was by far the worst pain I've ever felt. She told me that she has met someone while there but that nothing major has happened yet, not even to a kiss. Her thoughts are that if she still had a strong love for me that not even that little bit would have happened...I can forgive her for faltering. But she says that she doesn't even think that she wants to fight for what we have.

I know that all of this is sort of rambling and I'm leaving out details (for obvious reasons) but the thing is this: I'm madly in love with her. I'll do ANYTHING for her and to keep her with me. But she seems to have given up. It's only been one day since this ordeal, and her confession came to me less than an hour ago, so things may calm down and she will think through things for the better.

But what if she doesn't? I don't want to give up on her. I love her more than anything. But she is stubborn in that she doesn't really want to try any more. There are only 6 more weeks that she is in Argentina. I'm asking her to think things through carefully, to think on what we have and what we could have together, and to be patient. That distance is clouding our judgement and together we are perfect.

What am I doing wrong? Is there anything I can do? Or do differently? I refuse to believe that there is no hope. I will fight for her to the end. I trust much of the advice given by the OT forum. Some is good, others troll, but right now I need several perspectives on this issue. I need ideas, encouragement, advice, realistic views, anything. I need to get through this and I want to come out of it with her in my arms.

I'll go through PMs if someone seems especially wise and I can give more details then. I know this is TLDR but thanks in advance for any help or advice you can give.

Ogre
 

AeroJonesy

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A semester abroad always changes people - at least temporarily. People and things left back at home quickly become old-hat and boring when compared to the adventure of living in another country. I have known quite a few people who did semesters abroad or lived overseas, and nearly every single one of them talks about how things back home just don't measure up to the adventure.

I know that's somewhat sad news, but it's been very much true for those I know.
 

TheOgreMan

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I understand that and I realized that she has changed; I knew before she left that she would change. The adventure doesn't bother me. I've told her that if she wants to live abroad that I will go with her, wherever she wants, provided there is a body of water near enough for me to go fishing once in a while. It's more than that...
 

Yaboosh

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Sounds like it is just over. Sucks, but there is probably nothing you can do. Anything you think would help would probably make it worse, especially if her friends are against you.

It sounds like you are also coming on way stronger than she wants. Honestly, I feel like you are smothering ME just from reading your 2 posts.
 

SnickerSnack

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Today we finally got to talk. The gist of everything is that now she says she still loves me, but is not in love with me. She doesn't feel anything between us. She said that I have been irrational lately (I have been occasionally, not nearly always) and that I've been driving her away. People have been talking to her about leaving me, that she is young, etc. This was by far the worst pain I've ever felt. She told me that she has met someone while there but that nothing major has happened yet, not even to a kiss. Her thoughts are that if she still had a strong love for me that not even that little bit would have happened...I can forgive her for faltering. But she says that she doesn't even think that she wants to fight for what we have.
It seems like she's been thinking about this for a long time. She has made a mistake in not talking to you about this from when she first started feeling this way.

It sounds like she's really enjoying her independence and maybe she sees her old relationship with you as an old ball and chain that she doesn't want to go back to. It may not be anything wrong with what you've done, but you're part of the life she had at home, and she wants to leave that behind. I very much agree with AJ.

Basically, it's over, and you have to recognize that. If you feel like she's been unfair in keeping feelings from you up to this point, then you should tell her very directly (without being accusatory). Maybe just say that she should have talked with you about how she felt rather than giving you an ultimatum after she made a decision. It will help you to move on yourself. Instead of dwelling on your feelings for months afterward, just tell her.


 

PFSS

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Sounds like it is just over.
+1

TheOgreMan said:
I will fight for her to the end.
My advice is to move on as there is no realistic chance you will win her back and pretty much everything you do will either make you look like an asshole or desperate and pathetic - neither will help.

Drawing it out will also make it more painful and take longer to get over this whole thing and move on with your life.


 

Dondrei

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You can't keep a relationship together just because you want it to be. You both have to want it. I think she's pretty much told you it's over.
 

lAmebAdger

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I'm not a wise guy and i haven't even gotten into my first year of study... but my (worth only 2 cents) take is this:

there's probably a very good chance it's over as the others said...

but if you seriously want to try, you should make her feel a strong love AND leave her as much choice as possible... now this sentence might sound simple and already done, but actually it's really difficult to pull off AND it only provides a slim chance

this means not coming on to her too much, but letting her know your despair...
this also means ... sorry, can't elaborate
this is all a question of feeling, really, i'd hate to be in your position
 

Ariadne

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Let her go.

She has just as much right to decide it's over as you have the right to say it's not. But I can tell you that with the way you've been behaving, hotheaded, writing mails of the nature you mentioned, telling her it's not over untill you say it is over, you are going to end it quicker and most of all far more unpleasant.

There is no doubt that you do love her - although a bit too unhealthy in a way I suppose - but there's two people in a relationship, and your love cannot compensate both sides.

If you want to give it a chance: let her go. Let her decide. That way she will feel free to, should she want to, come back to you. Now she might feel suffocated by your strong affections and run off.
And if she doesn't come back: then it's for the best. You can't hold onto someone who doesn't want to be with you.


Easy words, I know. I've been there myself. There may be little comfort in this but you can trust me when I say that in time, it becomes easier, the emotions are still there but will no longer go as far as to give you the urge to write so many mails or feel you have to leave the pc to take more than a deep breath.

Good luck!:wave:
 

TheOgreMan

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Last night I had a lot of trouble sleeping so I did a lot of thinking and re-reading. I looked at the emails that I sent to see exactly what I said, how I said things, etc. I actually believe that I wasn't as hot-headed as I thought I was. There weren't really any accusations, anger, or resentment in any of them (2 of them were actually just updates as to whether I'd be available to talk or not). In them I told her how upset she made me and questioned whether or not she still had feelings for me. There was nothing that I wrote that should have upset her except for one thing: she knew that I suspected something was up. This I think is the big thing.

I don't know for certain but I think that she has been thinking about her other relationship for a while. She has told me that she has been thinking about our relationship for the past 2 weeks or so. I told her that I'm always here to talk, that she needs to think about everything, that together we can solve any problem, and I asked that she not make any final decisions until she came back. I sincerely believe that distance is 90% of our problems and the root of all of them. I may be naive, I know.

Like I said, I've thought a lot about things. I don't want it to end. I know that it may very well end...but I can't give up hope and I can't stop fighting. What kind of love is it if I won't fight for it? But I'm going to take a different approach. She needs room, time to think, time to miss me, time to realize that what we have isn't worth throwing away. We are supposed to talk this evening. I'll do what I can to assess the damage but my main plain will probably be the same. I'm going to ask that we keep talking, keep updating each other, but less often. Perhaps we can talk just once a week that way she isn't held down by me while there but there is enough communication to stay "connected". I'll ask that, again, she not make any final decision until we are face to face; I think that by then I'll be better able to handle things. I don't know, a breakup via video chat while she is a continent away doesn't seem to be a real thing.

I'm going to hold on for a while, but not with an iron grip. I'll keep a loose hold, maybe just a presence, but I can't give up. We promised each other that we never give up on each other. I'm willing to keep my end of the bargain and, hopefully with some space, she'll do so as well. I'm realistic. I know things probably won't work out but I'll be damned if I didn't try.
 

Garbad_the_Weak

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What kind of love is it if I won't fight for it?
If you have to fight to keep her in the relationship, its not love. She's already gone, mate. Your best bet is to move on, and if she realizes what she lost later maybe give her another shot. But don't hold your breath, and don't try to win her back.



 

Amra

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The gist of everything is that now she says she still loves me, but is not in love with me.
I guess that sums it up. Time to move on.

There is no doubt that you do love her - although a bit too unhealthy in a way I suppose - but there's two people in a relationship, and your love cannot compensate both sides.
Well said.



 

lAmebAdger

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@garbad: nah...
there's nothing wrong with fighting for love... (the other type of fighting) in itself... sure beats "giving someone a shot"-mentality

he's essentially giving the whole thing a shot right now, when it's right...
 

TheOgreMan

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Like I said, I'm being realistic about this. She hasn't made any final decision yet. She is thinking through things, is willing to talk to me about them, and is a reasonable person.

If she tells me that she is sure she no longer wants a relationship with me...I'll accept that. But until she tells me that there is absolutely nothing left, that there is no hope of us staying together, I see no reason not to fight for her. I'm not saying I'm going to force her love me or stay with me. I don't know, I guess I just wanted ideas on how to help her realize that she does, in fact, still love me, and that it is only temporary emotions clouding things.

I won't love someone who doesn't love me back. For now she does still love me. Until I get an absolute...then I like to think there is hope.

C'mon now, aren't there any hopeless romantics out there?
 

Garbad_the_Weak

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For now she does still love me. Until I get an absolute...then I like to think there is hope.
It sounds like she clearly told you she doesn't:

"The gist of everything is that now she says she still loves me, but is not in love with me. She doesn't feel anything between us."

That is code for "I don't want to hurt you, but our relationship is over."



 

Amra

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...help her realize that she does, in fact, still love me,....
So are you saying that you know better than her how/what she feels? When you write "in fact" that it what it seems. You indicate a certainty when it seems that is not the case.



 

TheOgreMan

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Points taken. I said it as a "fact" (I guess) because on Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday morning, all those days, she said that she loved me and that nothing could change that. It wasn't until Monday afternoon that things changed. I find it extremely hard to believe that something can change that drastically in that short a time.

You are probably right. But, again, I find it hard to believe something can change that fast. I'll know more tonight. Hopefully things will have calmed down by then.
 

Thyiad

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Sometimes it can creep up on you and realize you are only together out of habit. That's a lousy reason to stick together.

As sucky as it is, sometimes it just doesn't work anymore.

I understand you're upset - rightly - but apart from trying to communicate in a rational manner so you both can express how you feel and how it came to this, there isn't a lot you can do.
 

TheOgreMan

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Thyiad, I agree with you completely. I'm not with her out of habit. Every day with her is a new experience (some bad, mostly good) and for the first time in my life I look forward to the future. It makes me happy to make her happy.

I am doing my best to communicate in a rational manner. I've thought about what I can say tonight so that I don't just spew out something non-conducive. I'm more than willing to talk. If there is nothing left with her, yes, it will hurt. A lot. I won't keep her with me if she has no desire to be with me. I just think that distance apart is clouding her judgement, that she just needs time.

We are probably going to break up. I can accept that although I don't want to. I know that everyone thinks their relationship is unique, that nothing can change the love between them. I wish this were the case.
 

Amra

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Is she planning on living in Argentina after school is done? Is that something you would do? (I'm guessing you have never been there.) Before she left did you discuss the possibility of marriage or was it too early for that?
 
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