Another dead unarmed Black man

[HegemonKhan]

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I think the difference is that "evidence" (I trust you know how much I despise that term) of racism and discrimination isn't as frequent as imagined because law enforcement personnel are generally professionals, dedicated to serving the public good at sacrifice to self. The "Boss Hogg" image is indeed stupid, and IMO self-serving for those who hold it.

But I'm considering personal views, which are unfortunately hardened by years of law enforcement... in the fashion as those of a prostitute. After having to deal with the same scum of the earth for years, it is understandable why individuals might tend to make snap judgments about individuals based primarily on skin color and clothing.

@Z - correct; I'm pretty sure that I recall something of that nature happening in the issue I linked to, though it might have been a different PD. And I believe I've told the story of my buddy & I driving across Alabama?

In Indianapolis I was one of two jurors who deliberately "hung" a trial rather than let a recidivist drunk driver go free. The officer making the stop was the chief of a drug & alcohol testing unit. However, because some off-duty police had recently beaten the snot out of a couple of guys and racist implications were present, the officer's long list of credentials was basically ignored.

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However, because some off-duty police had recently beaten the snot out of a couple of guys and racist implications were present, the officer's long list of credentials was basically ignored. -jmervyn

GOOD !!!

it's just like how the long list of being a "good" and law abiding person of a civilian who just killed-murdered or commited any level/type of crime is ignored for him too.

now that is fairness and justice (NO sarcasm this time. i truly mean it).

a civilian's 99% good behavior is ignored and the cop's 1% (i'm biased) good behavior is ignored, as it should be (kinda of. there should be much more consideration for the civilian having 99% good behavior must his life). fairness and justice at last or for once!

now that is fairness and justice (NO sarcasm this time. i truly mean it).

 

[Garbad_the_Weak]

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However, because some off-duty police had recently beaten the snot out of a couple of guys and racist implications were present, the officer's long list of credentials was basically ignored. -jmervyn

GOOD !!!

it's just like how the long list of being a "good" and law abiding person of a civilian who just killed-murdered or commited any level/type of crime is ignored for him too.

now that is fairness and justice (NO sarcasm this time. i truly mean it).

a civilian's 99% good behavior is ignored and the cop's 1% (i'm biased) good behavior is ignored, as it should be (kinda of. there should be much more consideration for the civilian having 99% good behavior must his life). fairness and justice at last or for once!

now that is fairness and justice (NO sarcasm this time. i truly mean it).

It would probably be more fair to say civilian A's good behavior 99% of the time is ignored when civilian B is on trial, much like cop A's bad behavior should be ignored when cop B is testifying. But in this case, it wasn't The jury was trying some global karma thing and saying because cop A was bad, cop B wouldn't be believed and random thug G (who had nothing to do with the beating) gets to go rape someone else for free.

 

[AeroJonesy]

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Prosecutors racist? The majority of them don't even know when the defendant is in the courtroom because they have so many cases to handle. They see allegations and charges, not skin color.

 

[Yaboosh]

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If you want to get pissed off about the court system, don't look for racism, just look into the courtroom workgroups. Egads that **** scares me.

 

[HegemonKhan]

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last time i checked, in theory, the U.S. is suppose to be a nation of laws, not of men. which means that NO ONE is above the law. this means that it doesn't matter between civilian and cop. so whether it's civilian on civilian crime, cop on cop crime, cop on civilian crime, or civilian on cop crime doesn't matter......

but that's all theory and idealism, the reality and practice doesn't come close to this. and so civilians get wasted since they don't have power and cops do. jsut as it has always been since the dawn of man.

at least government as a whole, now in recent (~300 years) modern times civilians have some protection and the CIVIL governments obey the set up rules. "democracies" or republics are meaningless. the only thing that matters is if the civilians and government are CIVIL or not. its the CIVIL-ness of the behavior of civilians and government that determine whether they are "peaceful" or "ruthless and violent dictatorships/tyrannies" places/countries/states.

we NEED to finally bring PROTECTION and JUSTICE to/for civilians against the ~14,000 year old dictatorship/tyranny of "law enforcement=cops and/or military" and "the justice system=prosecutors, judges, cops, courts, juries, nobles, aristocrats, and kings/queens"

 

[stillman]

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What exactly do you suggest as a replacement?

 

[HegemonKhan]

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no idea, the only fair and just system of governance i can think of is no system of governance or aka anarchy.

in anarchy, u can only blame yourself, if you're at the "bottom of the food chain". in anarchy no one can mess u up, only u can mess yourself up, because it is entirely up to u to not let others mess u up anarchy is survival of the fittest. it's YOUR job to survive there's no abuse no crime no wronging, except when/if *U* fail and die (get killed or eaten). U wronged yourself.

in anarchy, there's no class system, no caste system, no privedged people and unprivedged people, no exploitation, no haves and have-nots, total equality, fairness, and justice.

 

[jmervyn]

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it's just like how the long list of being a "good" and law abiding person of a civilian who just killed-murdered or commited any level/type of crime is ignored for him too.

Well, no. Not really. In fact, not in the least. Incidents must be examined in isolation, and anything else would start to approach vigilante rule... which reminds me, I need to see if I can find The Watchmen in a library. :jig:

The purpose of police is intimidation and cleanup. Without the intimidation, we become a nation of scofflaws.

at least government as a whole, now in recent (~300 years) modern times civilians have some protection and the CIVIL governments obey the set up rules. "democracies" or republics are meaningless. the only thing that matters is if the civilians and government are CIVIL or not. its the CIVIL-ness of the behavior of civilians and government that determine whether they are "peaceful" or "ruthless and violent dictatorships/tyrannies" places/countries/states.

we NEED to finally bring PROTECTION and JUSTICE to/for civilians against the ~14,000 year old dictatorship/tyranny of "law enforcement=cops and/or military" and "the justice system=prosecutors, judges, cops, courts, juries, nobles, aristocrats, and kings/queens"

Again, don't buy into the Progressive/Liberal mythology about Police existing to "Protect and Serve" - they can't do the former, and the latter only happens in the abstract. I can get street directions from a cop, but I've never had one help me out by the roadside; quite the opposite.

Americans are supposed to protect themselves and take responsibility for their own actions. The sad truth is that in the liberal quest for irresponsibility, and the dissolution of our societal bond, we have handed much of this power to the cops and courts. It little behooves anyone to complain about how bad they are when their very existence is due to our inability to deal in a civil fashion with our neighbors.

 

[HegemonKhan]

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jmervyn,

u sound/seem libertarian...though didn't comment on my anarchist part, maybe it's too extreme.

but if i'm right about u or understood u correctly (though i'm sure i don't), u'll like this maybe:

government is ONLY for those who don't/can't govern themselves

police is ONLY for those who don't/can't police themselves

laws is ONLY for those who don't/can't follow the laws themselves

 

[Johnny]

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Police protect by punishing offenders and so deterring a lot of people from committing crime.

 

[jmervyn]

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jmervyn,

u sound/seem libertarian...though didn't comment on my anarchist part, maybe it's too extreme.

That's because I've beaten that particular horse's rotting corpse far too long.

As to your "ONLY" statements, the problem is that those who falsely believe that Government, Police, and Law are the solution to humanity's problems are quite likely to wind up with a Final Solution instead.

 

[HegemonKhan]

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As to your "ONLY" statements, the problem is that those who falsely believe that Government, Police, and Law are the solution to humanity's problems are quite likely to wind up with a Final Solution instead. -jmervyn

or they are in the government, police, or law

and i'm not exactly sure what u mean by final solution ? can u inform me what this means ?

and was i right that u libertarian ? or maybe just a conservative who is near to being a libertarian ?
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my political "orientation" if anyone is wondering:

A-M-E-R-I-C-A-N, that I am !

i ain't no republican.
i ain't no democrat.
i ain't no conservative.
i ain't no liberal.

A-M-E-R-I-C-A-N, that I am !

i liked clinton, and after the monica lewiski sex, i still liked clinton, and today, i still like him even now

i hated bush during the campaigning of him vs gore, i thought he was a total idiot, but as president, i liked bush until this last year, but now i don't cause of the hype or actual economic crisis, and now i think he is an idiot again and hate him

i didn't like obama during the campaigning, but now that he is president, i like him.

so go figure my politics out, good luck !!!

A-M-E-R-I-C-A-N, that I am !

 

[jmervyn]

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and i'm not exactly sure what u mean by final solution ? can u inform me what this means ?

It was a crude ad hitlerum for my own amusement. The NSDAP were law abiding; the law is what society allows it to be.

and was i right that u libertarian ? or maybe just a conservative who is near to being a libertarian ?

If you have a desperate desire to pigeon-hole me, then consider me a Libertarian with arch-conservative attitudes on issues pertaining to military and foreign relations. i.e. I'm against gay marriage but what one does with one's genitalia should not be the business of the State.

 

[krischan]

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no idea, the only fair and just system of governance i can think of is no system of governance or aka anarchy.

in anarchy, u can only blame yourself, if you're at the "bottom of the food chain". in anarchy no one can mess u up, only u can mess yourself up, because it is entirely up to u to not let others mess u up anarchy is survival of the fittest. it's YOUR job to survive there's no abuse no crime no wronging, except when/if *U* fail and die (get killed or eaten). U wronged yourself.

in anarchy, there's no class system, no caste system, no privedged people and unprivedged people, no exploitation, no haves and have-nots, total equality, fairness, and justice.

Humans are social beings, so in an anarchy they will quickly create communities with certain people doing what others tell them, out of laziness, fear, admiration or whatever. An anarchy will quickly evolve into an organized society, e.g. a feudal system, a caste system, a dictatorship. A democracy is already rather artificial and it often degrades to something worse if the society suffers from too many or too severe problems.

Anarchy is probably the best which can happen to us when all people are saints and the worst system imaginable if they aren't. Guess what it is :azn:

 

[HegemonKhan]

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that's actually a really good point !!!

it never occured to me that anarchies would immediately organize. (though now that u pointed it out....DUH.....me feel very dumb now)

very very very astute point !!!
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If you have a desperate desire to pigeon-hole me -jmervyn

no no, mere curiosity. i really don't care...political parties and affiliation to them...if u couldn't tell from my other post....doesn't concern me much. they are a joke on the ignorant and they don't even know it.

if people wanna be a political party and not an american, than try to acceed (or whatver the word and how ever u spell it) from the U.S. and make your own sovereign country. or better yet, jsut leave the U.S. go to antarctica and create a country of democrats on one half and a country of republicans on the other half.

 

[AeroJonesy]

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we NEED to finally bring PROTECTION and JUSTICE to/for civilians against the ~14,000 year old dictatorship/tyranny of "law enforcement=cops and/or military" and "the justice system=prosecutors, judges, cops, courts, juries, nobles, aristocrats, and kings/queens"

Ah, the "I can't figure out who I'm mad at, so I'll blame everyone" route.

 

[maccool]

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me feel very dumb now

You should feel very dumb for omitting the letters 'y' and 'o' from the word 'you' in all your posts.

Make a salient point (using vowels) and all will be forgiven.

 

[stillman]

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HegemonKahn,

What? YOU don't know what the Final Solution refers to? You? The guy who keeps bringing up WW2 Nazi war crimes? It's refering to the 'ultimate solution' to the 'Jewish Problem' or 'Jewish Question' which was, 'what do we do about all these successful Jewish people who are soaking up money that should be ours?' The final solution of course, was wipe them out.

Anyway, I think your attitude toward anarchy would change if someone killed your grandmother and there were no police to find out who did it, plus you are too poor or sick with cancer to track the killer down yourself.