Another dead unarmed Black man

[SaroDarksbane]

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If only they'd had Counterstrike back then.

They'd know that everyone runs faster with a knife!

Pfft, noobs.

Phail is thy middle name.

I dunno, I thought that was quite witty.

 

[jmervyn]

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I dunno, I thought that was quite witty.

It was because only now will he research the term "old soldier" and realize he was spooging on existing jokes.

 

[Dondrei]

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They'd know that everyone runs faster with a knife!

Pfft, noobs.

But just think, we could have creamed the damn reds if we'd known to circle hop strafe.

 

[HegemonKhan]

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the only difference from cops in the U.S. and late Saddam's Iraq is:

at least in late Saddam's Iraq the cops had to kill u covertly or out of the public's eye.

in the U.S., the cops can blow a person's back open with them lying on the ground helpless right out in the open in front of everyone in a subway station.

go figure...

who has the barbaric cops and justice system ? Saddam's Iraq or the U.S. ?

 

[krischan]

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Sorry for saying it that directly, but that's nonsense. You are belittling the actions of the police in not so well-kept constitutional states and you are twisting things here. Of course you can see videos of police atrocities in the US and none in the Iraq, but not because the police will generally get away with with it in public in the US. It's actually because the state cannot prevent the publishing that easily because of freedom of speech, freedom of press and a working separation of powers, quite in contrast to dictatorships.

In certain states the police is so much feared that somebody just has to wear a police uniform and he can do more or less anything, like entering an elegant restaurant with his friends (i.e. it's not about "lower class" people) and rape the women in public while nobody dares to intervene. People didn't fear them because they drew their weapons, but because they were believed to be policemen. There was a case like that in Turkey a few months ago IIRC which is a NATO member and which wants to join the EU and still in a better condition than most states in the near and far East.

What do you think will happen to the newspaper, TV station or anybody who is known to publish such a video in a country like the Iraq ? Dictatorships often statue examples in these cases. For example, each relative and maybe everybody in the village he is from might be slain for it. Saddam Hussein did things like that. He admitted to it and said that this is "the usual way to settle these issues", as a warning to the others. Hitler did it after No matter what you might think about the US with respect to certain crimes of some of their policemen or their motives or methods in Iraq: I think it needs far worse failures to compare them with Hussein's regime in Iraq.

 

[HegemonKhan]

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important notice:

i'm an american talking about my own country and what i have observed in real life. the police, prosecutors, and judges constantly disregard the law and are rarely punished despite the fact that they constantly break and violate the law abusing their power and commiting crimes.

these are my views based on actual experience and observation and actual events and actions of cops and those in the justice system.
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i was using humor to point out how the police and justice system is still tyrannical and barbaric even in the U.S. If u take a look at U.S. police and justice system history and well known events of/in the U.S. involving police criminality, it really isn't much different than a 3rd world country or dictatorship.

of course, thankfully the U.S. as a country/state is a republic that uses democracy and it's people and government behaves for the most part civilly (except the police and justice system) and is not a dictatorship, i'm jsut saying the police and our system of justice is.

i have my experiences and observations and time and time again the police and justice system proves it's own criminality and they are never punished for it despite this suppose to be a nation of laws where no one is above the law. i have not encountered a policeman or other person of the jsutice system who isn't above the law.

corruption and crime doesn't jsut exist with our senators and congressmen and presidents...it's even worse at the local level and state level.
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heres jsut a few U.S. things to take a look (google) at:

1. drew peterson
2. mike nifong
3. rodney king
4. the murder of a person in the subway by the cop (which i think is what the thread, another black person has been killed, is about or maybe it's another cop-instance commiting murder)
5. a juvinile gets beat to death by the guards at a juvinile "boot camp" jail
6. cops shooting some one like 64 times and he didn't even have a gun shooting at the cops
7. and many more....
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as u can see i don't like cops or those in the jsutice system very much. they failed to earn my respect and trust by commiting crimes, breaking the law, and abusing their power often resulting in the destruction or murder of innocent people and almost always get away without any punishment.

 

[jmervyn]

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If u take a look at U.S. police and justice system history and well known events of/in the U.S. involving police criminality, it really isn't much different than a 3rd world country or dictatorship.

Sorry, but you remain quite wrong. And I'm no fan of police either - not because I disrespect the job they do, but because when seconds count the police are only minutes away. They are there to pick up the pieces and intimidate non-conformists, not somehow 'protect & serve'. You are falling into the Progressive-Liberal lunacy of believing that police are somehow going to be both holy crusaders for truth & justice righting wrongs nearly before they occur, while at the same time magically retaining a moral code far in excess of those they police (while remaining on near-poverty wages).

Third world countries have laughably corrupt police forces and at the same time most receive far greater pay (relative to other professions' salaries). Bribery is commonplace if not mandatory. Beatings can be likewise, depending on the country; even less malevolent police forces should scare the carp out of Americans. The phrase, "police state" shouldn't be taken lightly (even though it is) because it shows the stark contrast between a self-correcting, law-abiding society and a society ruled by "law".

 

[krischan]

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Hitler did it after ...

Hmm, it seems I forgot to elaborate on what happened in WW2 after partizans killed Heydrich, the Nazi ruler of Czechoslovakia.

Lidice

Just for the sake of completeness...

 

[Tanooki]

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Mentioning Rodney King will only put your ignorance on display. That idiot brought it upon himself. We can only be thankful his drunk driving and evading the police didn't kill any innocent people.

 

[Johnny]

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Mentioning Rodney King will only put your ignorance on display. That idiot brought it upon himself. We can only be thankful his drunk driving and evading the police didn't kill any innocent people.

If only it ended there.

In May 1991, he was arrested on suspicion of trying to run over a vice officer who allegedly found him with a transvestite prostitute in Hollywood. In 1993, King entered an alcohol rehabilitation program and was placed on probation after crashing his vehicle into a block wall in downtown Los Angeles. In July 1995, he was arrested by Alhambra police, who alleged that he hit his wife with his car, knocking her to the ground. He was sentenced to 90 days in jail after being convicted of hit and run.[14] On August 27, 2003, King was arrested again for speeding and running a red light while under the influence of alcohol. He failed to yield to police officers and slammed his SUV into a house, breaking his pelvis

 

[HegemonKhan]

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i admit i didn't really know anything about rodney king, so i'm not sure how to come down on it, though whatever rodney king done it doesn't give the cops the right to judge and execute (in safe circumstances at least). it's for a jury and judge in a court to decide if some one dies or not. the cops job is to enforce the law, not be a judge and executioner.

i was just trying to think of all the instances i knew of abuse by those with power.

 

[SaroDarksbane]

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i admit i didn't really know anything about rodney king, so i'm not sure how to come down on it, though whatever rodney king done it doesn't give the cops the right to judge and execute (in safe circumstances at least). it's for a jury and judge in a court to decide if some one dies or not. the cops job is to enforce the law, not be a judge and executioner.

What if they were, dare I say it, overcome with emotion at the time?

 

[Johnny]

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i admit i didn't really know anything about rodney king, so i'm not sure how to come down on it, though whatever rodney king done it doesn't give the cops the right to judge and execute (in safe circumstances at least). it's for a jury and judge in a court to decide if some one dies or not. the cops job is to enforce the law, not be a judge and executioner.

i was just trying to think of all the instances i knew of abuse by those with power.

Rodney King is still alive. He was puting up a big fight when the cops tried to apprehend him. They tasered him twice and he still managed to charge and knock down a police officer. In the end after a lot of effort they final resorted to using their batons to subdue him and that was the only part caught on video tape.

 

[Tanooki]

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I thought the whole thing was caught, but the news only aired the subduing at the end. They made him out to be a black man who was pulled over for a routine traffic stop and then beaten for no reason.

 

[Dirty_Zulu]

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I thought the whole thing was caught, but the news only aired the subduing at the end. They made him out to be a black man who was pulled over for a routine traffic stop and then beaten for no reason.

The guy was also evading the cops at 90mph or so. I'd give anyone a beating if they almost run over my family from reckless driving.

 

[HegemonKhan]

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but that's breaking the law, they are to be punished or "beaten up" from the jury decision and court ruling-sentencing.

cops beating some one up (or in this case murdering him) is jsut as much a crime as whatever he was doing beforehand. 2 crimes is 2 crimes. a 2nd crime isn't punishment or justice for a previous crime. any action outside of a court decision-outcome-ruling-sentencing is vigilantism by either a cop or civilian and is a crime.

subduing a person for a safe arrest-handcuffs is fine, but not beating up a person and certainly not murdering a person...kinda hard to arrest a dead person...

and beating some one up, does NOT in any way subdue a person, unless u knock them into a coma-unconscious, but in doing so, the police just commited a crime by endangering his life or if he never wakes up than its murder or if u skip the coma-unconsciousness and outright kill him it's murder.

what are the dangers for a cop trying to arrest some one?

flailing arms (punching, elbow'ing, and forearm'ing) and legs (kicking= foot or shin, and knee'ing=knee=duh), the head (headbutt), and teeth (biting).

to subdue the...

for arms and legs, U GRAB and/or stay away from, NOT hit.

for head, u grab-hold and/or stay away from, NOT hit.

for teeth, u stay away from !!!! (lol, especially your ear when/if boxing against mike tyson!!! too bad evander holyfield didn't know this...). and u certainly do NOT hit and knock his teeth out (or rather i should say in..and possibly down his throat to be technical).

 

[jmervyn]

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The guy was also evading the cops at 90mph or so. I'd give anyone a beating if they almost run over my family from reckless driving.

I've had a really hard time discussing legitimate issues of racism thanks to ol' Rod. There <is> plenty of racism within law enforcement (I even heard some during the SuperBowl), but the dismal facts about that man gives the "Blue Wall of Silence" cover.

 

[Garbad_the_Weak]

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I've had a really hard time discussing legitimate issues of racism thanks to ol' Rod. There <is> plenty of racism within law enforcement (I even heard some during the SuperBowl), but the dismal facts about that man gives the "Blue Wall of Silence" cover.

In law school, I did a substantial amount of research into racism in law enforcement (specifically looking into capital punishment). I went into it expecting to find racism was common, but I found very little evidence of racism, despite public perception.

 

[Dirty_Zulu]

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I doubt there's more racism than the Code of Silence for the boys in blue. A Black cop would probably be more in tune with covering up for a fellow White police officer in a racial case.

 

[jmervyn]

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In law school, I did a substantial amount of research into racism in law enforcement (specifically looking into capital punishment). I went into it expecting to find racism was common, but I found very little evidence of racism, despite public perception.

I think the difference is that "evidence" (I trust you know how much I despise that term) of racism and discrimination isn't as frequent as imagined because law enforcement personnel are generally professionals, dedicated to serving the public good at sacrifice to self. The "Boss Hogg" image is indeed stupid, and IMO self-serving for those who hold it.

But I'm considering personal views, which are unfortunately hardened by years of law enforcement... in the fashion as those of a prostitute. After having to deal with the same scum of the earth for years, it is understandable why individuals might tend to make snap judgments about individuals based primarily on skin color and clothing.

@Z - correct; I'm pretty sure that I recall something of that nature happening in the issue I linked to, though it might have been a different PD. And I believe I've told the story of my buddy & I driving across Alabama?

In Indianapolis I was one of two jurors who deliberately "hung" a trial rather than let a recidivist drunk driver go free. The officer making the stop was the chief of a drug & alcohol testing unit. However, because some off-duty police had recently beaten the snot out of a couple of guys and racist implications were present, the officer's long list of credentials was basically ignored.